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    #21
    Serious point: Franco, what you say is very often the case. However, the project manager shouldn't be there to provide technical expertise. That's what the techies are paid for. The PM should provide a different skill: management. The PM should listen to the advice provided by the experts within the team and ensure that all the various strands of the project remain in harmony, make decisions and manage the cutomer relationship. On technical projects, it helps if the PM has an understanding of the relevant technical issues, but he/she doesn't have to be able to perform that role. Does the manager/coach of a football team have to be a world class striker? Look at Jose Mourinho and Keven Keegan; one was a great footballer and the other didn't play professionally - one is a world class manager and the other isn't. There are plenty of other examples of this in football.
    Autom...Sprow...Canna...Tik banna...Sandwol...But no sera smee

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      #22
      Originally posted by WageSlave
      Serious point: Franco, what you say is very often the case. However, the project manager shouldn't be there to provide technical expertise. That's what the techies are paid for. The PM should provide a different skill: management. The PM should listen to the advice provided by the experts within the team and ensure that all the various strands of the project remain in harmony, make decisions and manage the cutomer relationship. On technical projects, it helps if the PM has an understanding of the relevant technical issues, but he/she doesn't have to be able to perform that role. Does the manager/coach of a football team have to be a world class striker? Look at Jose Mourinho and Keven Keegan; one was a great footballer and the other didn't play professionally - one is a world class manager and the other isn't. There are plenty of other examples of this in football.
      I agree to a certain extent. The coach should not play football and necessarily have been a top star in the past (although it helps). But it is essential that he knows football very well and all the roles and tricks. But if you imagine IT as a sport, they would choose someone with a cricket background to manage a football team and he would complain that the scores is too low as they didn't score 100 goals still...

      In my opinion, technical understanding is essential for an IT pm. I might be wrong but that's my opinion. Surely this is not enough to make a good PM but it is a requirement.
      I've seen much of the rest of the world. It is brutal and cruel and dark, Rome is the light.

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        #23
        Technical understanding, yes. But having technical understanding is not the same as being a true techie. I don't, for example, consider it necessary for a PM to be able to code in C#; but they should understand the SDLC, common problems, what needs to be done, etc.

        I had a similar conversation yesterday with a permie manager. I wanted to know whether the client's 'web' team contained any techies or whether it was simply contract management. I was assured, despite my doubts, that the team contained two real techies. The proof? They both read Computer Weekly!
        Autom...Sprow...Canna...Tik banna...Sandwol...But no sera smee

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          #24
          Project Managers have to manage techies so have to be skilled at extracting information from those with little social skills and who are pathological liars about how 'on-track' they are.

          Programme Managers have to manage Project Managers so have to be skilled at detecting Bulltulip & Spin and the expertly applied skills of credit claiming and blame pinning.

          Portfolio Managers have the easiest job possible as they are that far up the workload hierarchy they hear nothing but fantastically positive news .. until they are sacked!
          Guy Fawkes - "The last man to enter Parliament with honourable intentions."

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            #25
            Project Managers have to manage techies so have to be skilled at extracting information from those with little social skills and who are pathological liars about how 'on-track' they are.
            I usually find it's the inept Project Manager who tries to fiddle the figures!

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              #26
              Originally posted by SupremeSpod
              I usually find it's the inept Project Manager who tries to fiddle the figures!
              I usually find senior management the biggest problem. Idiots who don't understand what the project/programme is all about, are incapable of making a decision (or lack the balls to take it) and generally don't know their arses from their elbows.

              Unless they work with PITO. In which case they are ALL web-toed, sister-shagging, banjo playing inbreds
              Autom...Sprow...Canna...Tik banna...Sandwol...But no sera smee

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                #27
                wageslave. you really are stupid.

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                  #28
                  And you, my little winkle picker, are a troll.

                  Troll will get upset at some upstart on his turf. And Wage Slave won't care...
                  "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
                  - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Chico
                    Ok can some one please tell me the real world difference between Project Management, Programme Management and Portfolio Management. I know what google says so please spare me that. I want to know practically what the differences are please.

                    Please do not abuse Franko or the atheists - thank you (or me!!!)

                    You should ask God, you really should. He will know...
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                      #30
                      I love it when contractors talk about management.
                      Hard Brexit now!
                      #prayfornodeal

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