Telegraph campaign: Fair deal for car drivers

[Francko]

No, I don't compete with them, don't need to. I currently earn ££££ day running a dev team with many indians in it . They may displace losers like you, only because they're better, but they ain't that cheap either and don't dream that they can pass extraneous costs to the project.

So f'off t@sspot

Are you sure that they are not able to replace you with an indian manager? Strangely some people are convinced that they are irreplaceable.

[BrilloPad]

Are you sure that they are not able to replace you with an indian manager? Strangely some people are convinced that they are irreplaceable.

I doubt many of us are replacable with an Indian. Except maybe Wiolmslow.

[Francko]

I doubt many of us are replacable with an Indian. Except maybe Wiolmslow.

<DOOM>
First it was only help desk and everybody else felt his job was safe. Then development was outsourced but system administrators felt their job was safe. Then system administration was outsourced too but architects and consultants felt their jobs were safe. Then architect/consultant jobs were outsourced but business analysts and manager felt safe. Now I am increasing seeing a lot of business analysts and managers overseas so my advise is: be afraid, be very afraid, nobody is safe.
</DOOM>

[NickFitz]

<DOOM>
First it was only help desk and everybody else felt his job was safe. Then development was outsourced but system administrators felt their job was safe. Then system administration was outsourced too but architects and consultants felt their jobs were safe. Then architect/consultant jobs were outsourced but business analysts and manager felt safe. Now I am increasing seeing a lot of business analysts and managers overseas so my advise is: be afraid, be very afraid, nobody is safe.
</DOOM>

First they came for the help desk, but I did not speak out, because I did not work on the help desk.

Then they came for the developers, but I did not speak out, because I was not a developer.

Then they came for the system administrators, but I did not speak out, because I was not a system administrator.

Then they came for the architects and consultants, but I did not speak out, because I was neither an architect nor a consultant.

Then they came for me, and there was nobody left to speak out for me.

(Inspired by Pastor Martin Niemöller)

[BrilloPad]

Of course not just IT. Research going offshore. Backoffice too. Next will be the traders.

Then this country will just be left with chavs. The powerbase will be India/China.

[EternalOptimist]

More BULLtulip . Rates are determined by market factors (supply /demand etc), and you obviously don't know what that means, not your actual overhead costs.

For example with 2 otherwise equal candidates, the client will normally chose the cheapest. The fact that one drives 200 miles a day, while the other has a 10 minute walk means nothings to the client. The driver will have to absorb his additional costs to be competive.

It's called CAPITALISM, so go P'off and pollute someone elses thread.

Yeah. I had this discussion with the missus, on a different but related subject.
The question was should I take offer 1 or offer 2. She says 'well its only 3% , and offer 2 is in a much nicer place'

Well I thought about this for a while. £1.5 extra is NOT 3% more (on £50), if I make £15 an hour pure profit, that £1.50 becomes 10% extra.

Beavis, if you can go and squeeze more cash for some spurious reason (eg if fuel prices go up), why havn't you already done so ? If you could get more dosh you really should have done it already

[Churchill]

Don't tax people on what they earn, tax them on what they spend!!!

[Beavis]

Beavis, if you can go and squeeze more cash for some spurious reason (eg if fuel prices go up), why havn't you already done so ? If you could get more dosh you really should have done it already

It depends on your mode of operating

I work mainly from my home office, if the client requires a site visit then that becomes a chargable item.

If the client is remote and requires a stay-away, then that too is a chargeable item.

If the costs of travel and or hotel rooms increases, then all I do is pass on the full costs to the client.

easy innit

HTH

[TimberWolf]

Of course not just IT. Research going offshore. Backoffice too. Next will be the traders.

Then this country will just be left with chavs. The powerbase will be India/China.

It's not all gloom and doom. Take the invasion of England by the Netherlands in 1688 as an example.

The incomers brought banking methods that transformed London as a commercial centre. The result was that Britain boomed, becoming a rich and powerful nation after 1688, while the Netherlands remained a European backwater. It caused resentment in Holland that, in Jardine's words, their glory had been "plundered" by the British.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Boomed.

[Churchill]

It's not all gloom and doom. Take the invasion of England by the Netherlands in 1688 as an example.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Boomed.

Don't forget, the Dutch helped us sort out Gibraltar, and Algiers!