The Lady's not for turning !!!

[DodgyAgent]

Like all you little people who owe your mollycoddled little existences to the reforms that she made and the hardships endured by those innocent entrepreneurs who inevitably suffered during the "curing" process


Terrible sacrifice they made while 3.5 million were living it up on the dole.

Is coming out with a cliche the best that you can do?

what does it mean?

Does it mean that 3.5 million people who wouldnt ordinarily have been out of work were out of work?
Does it mean that the figure could have been 20 million had Thatcher not come to power?
Does it mean that had we not had Thatcher no one would be unemployed in 1985, 1991 or today?

if you are going to come up with one liners then kindly put them into some sort of context to support an argument or we will put it into our own context for you. The problem with that of course is that our context wont necessarily support your own view.

[RickD]

There is only one "cherry picker" here and it is not your "majority". Thatcher was the unpalatable medicine that was needed thanks to lilly livered weasels like you indulging yourselves in allowing fascist trade unions and socialists to run the UK into the ground and to the begging bowl of the IMF.

Like all you little people who owe your mollycoddled little existences to the reforms that she made and the hardships endured by those innocent entrepreneurs who inevitably suffered during the "curing" process. Your petty selfish mysogynistic cowardly middle class guilt cannot bear to accept the fact that it is thanks to her you earn the money that you do.

Armed with hindsight It may be fair to say that she could have softened the blow by borrowing more to invest in infrastructure in order to cushion the ensuing recession (borrowing from where?). It can also be argued that the poll tax was ridiculous and that she became a liability. These are all "little" arguments used by "little" people who are too cowardly (or stupid) to face up to the fact that had she not come to power the UK would today be an economic basket case.

Right on all points apart from the Poll Tax, I see this as still the fairest tax we have ever had in this country. To see the problems, look at what replaced it; the inherently unfair council tax. If anyone can, please explain the fairness to charging a childless couple the same as a family or a house full of tenants?

Also, to the person who said that Maggie sold the family silver, perhaps, but I am very sure that this was still better than selling the rest of the jewelry, especially the gold!

I personally never wanted Labour (they certainly do, for themselves at least) in the first place with that idiot Bliar, I definitely do not want the worst chancellor we have ever had (who obviously can not count), to take over this country without even getting a mandate from the people who employ him.

[Lucy]

It matters becuase you seem to have the text book view of someone who didn't live though the Thatcher years. The kind of view that cannot accept that she did any wrong, I suppose political History books will always flatter to decieve. The idol worshipers won't accept that she went too far in dismantling industry, largely because the union vendetta contolled her rational thought. They cannot accept that the economic poilcy was flawed in the same fashion as Labours' house price explosion boom. She lowered tax and removed red tape, little else she did is of lasting merit. Crime skyrocketed, Spending on social security skyrocketed, the system encouraged the single parent ferel kid fiasco we have today. In summary she used a sledgehammer to crack a nut with UK industry and precipitated the social mess we are in today

I think if you read what I wrote yesterday, and previously you would see that I am not blind to her mistakes.

Thanks for answering the accusation of plagerism, as usual, you are full of accusations that have no substance.

[DodgyAgent]

It matters becuase you seem to have the text book view of someone who didn't live though the Thatcher years. The kind of view that cannot accept that she did any wrong, I suppose political History books will always flatter to decieve. The idol worshipers won't accept that she went too far in dismantling industry, largely because the union vendetta contolled her rational thought. They cannot accept that the economic poilcy was flawed in the same fashion as Labours' house price explosion boom. She lowered tax and removed red tape, little else she did is of lasting merit. Crime skyrocketed, Spending on social security skyrocketed, the system encouraged the single parent ferel kid fiasco we have today. In summary she used a sledgehammer to crack a nut with UK industry and precipitated the social mess we are in today

So please argue the link between the breakdown of the family , feral teenagers and Thatcher.

Please also argue why crime has skyrocketed as a result of her policies.

and perhaps you can explain how businesses such as BT, BA, London Electricity (as it was) would have been better off under state control?

[Lucy]

So please argue the link between the breakdown of the family , feral teenagers and Thatcher.

Please also argue why crime has skyrocketed as a result of her policies.

and perhaps you can explain how businesses such as BT, BA, London Electricity (as it was) would have been better off under state control?

There is no point Dodgy, he knows nothing only to whine about how much the miners suffered and how grim it was 'oop norf' (totally forgets he has what he has and does what he does because of the reforms that were made, and not revoked by the subsequent liebour govt)

[Bagpuss]

There is no point Dodgy, he knows nothing only to whine about how much the miners suffered and how grim it was 'oop norf' (totally forgets he has what he has and does what he does because of the reforms that were made, and not revoked by the subsequent liebour govt)

I was in the country under a Thatcher government, and not relying on propoganda to know what happened. Oh I see you have the same arrogant attitude that brought down the conservatives i.e fook the north. At least Cameron realises that won't get him elected.

PS if you are going to patronise people who suffered then I'd rather argue with an adult.

So please argue the link between the breakdown of the family , feral teenagers and Thatcher.

Please also argue why crime has skyrocketed as a result of her policies.

and perhaps you can explain how businesses such as BT, BA, London Electricity (as it was) would have been better off under state control?

You are putting words in my mouth now, I didn't say all she did was bad, that's your style the black and white argument. She cut some red tape, lowered taxes but this was done by imposing stealth taxes e.g. VAT up from 8 to 17.5% that's a bloody big tax hit! Not to mention the fuel price escalator

I don't disagree with privatisation where it is warranted. What I can't abide is the tax payer funding monopolies she created e.g. the Rail privatisation. It costs more than it ever did under state control and is no better. Moreover, state control of rail works in Europe.
The demise of the family and rise of the ferrel kids started when the tories made it profitable to be a single parent on benefits.

[Lucy]

I was in the country under a Thatcher governement, and not relying on propoganda to know what happened. Oh I see you have the same arrogant attitude that brought down the conservatives i.e fook the north. At least Cameron realises that won't get him elected.

PS if you are going to patronise people who suffered then I'd rather argue with an adult.

For you to argue with an adult you would have to become one.

HTH

How did you suffer exactly?

[Board Game Geek]

I grew up during the Thatcher government (1979 (11 yrs old) to 1990 (22 years old), so I do feel I have some right to say what I experienced first hand.

I remember the "Winter of Discontent" and the atrocious affect it had on the country as a whole. I remember the unions holding the country to ransom.
I remember Maggie breaking the stranglehold of the unions and liberating the rest of us from their criminal oppression.

I remember the Falklands War in 1982 when I was 14, and I remember the firm stance Maggie took and the sacrifice our troops made to secure our sovereignty there. I remember that throughout the campaign, she showed strength of character and will, unlike the leaders of today.

I remember the blossoming of City and business overall, with new opportunities for all. I remember friends from school starting their first careers in the City, be it trading or in IT. I remember the heyday when opportunity was there for the taking, and most of those friends who stayed in the city are now approaching 40 and near retirement or have retired now, with, thanks to the opportunities Maggie gave, 1 or more homes all paid up.

Maggie gave opportunity, to those willing to get off their backsides and grab it with both hands.

Yet some people still moan and whinge about the most decisive and strong-willed leader we have had since Churchill (who although a good war leader, was never a good civil leader).

[DodgyAgent]

I was in the country under a Thatcher government, and not relying on propoganda to know what happened. Oh I see you have the same arrogant attitude that brought down the conservatives i.e fook the north. At least Cameron realises that won't get him elected.

PS if you are going to patronise people who suffered then I'd rather argue with an adult.



You are putting words in my mouth now, I didn't say all she did was bad, that's your style the black and white argument. She cut some red tape, lowered taxes but this was done by imposing stealth taxes e.g. VAT up from 8 to 17.5% that's a bloody big tax hit! Not to mention the fuel price escalator

I don't disagree with privatisation where it is warranted. What I can't abide is the tax payer funding monopolies she created e.g. the Rail privatisation. It costs more than it ever did under state control and is no better. Moreover, state control of rail works in Europe.
The demise of the family and rise of the ferrel kids started when the tories made it profitable to be a single parent on benefits.

At last. You may have a point about rail nationalisation but you dont seem capable of arguing a point. For instance you are using throw away lines (if you pardon the pun). Are you saying that the rail system would be better off if it was owned by the state? if so how? remember the rail network gets far more use today than it did under and before Thatcher. Is that because the (privatised" rail network has been so successfull that it has attracted more people to use it?

I agree that the state has responsibility for incentivising people not to work, whether that be under Tory rule or Labour. But benefits culture was not part of Thatcherite ideology, so who is to say that things would have been any different under any other PM or party?

I think the point that you seem so reluctant to accept is that we would have been far worse off had Thatcher not dished out the medicine.

[Bagpuss]

I grew up during the Thatcher government (1979 (11 yrs old) to 1990 (22 years old), so I do feel I have some right to say what I experienced first hand.

I remember the "Winter of Discontent" and the atrocious affect it had on the country as a whole. I remember the unions holding the country to ransom.
I remember Maggie breaking the stranglehold of the unions and liberating the rest of us from their criminal oppression.

I remember the Falklands War in 1982 when I was 14, and I remember the firm stance Maggie took and the sacrifice our troops made to secure our sovereignty there. I remember that throughout the campaign, she showed strength of character and will, unlike the leaders of today.

I remember the blossoming of City and business overall, with new opportunities for all. I remember friends from school starting their first careers in the City, be it trading or in IT. I remember the heyday when opportunity was there for the taking, and most of those friends who stayed in the city are now approaching 40 and near retirement or have retired now, with, thanks to the opportunities Maggie gave, 1 or more homes all paid up.

Maggie gave opportunity, to those willing to get off their backsides and grab it with both hands.

Yet some people still moan and whinge about the most decisive and strong-willed leader we have had since Churchill (who although a good war leader, was never a good civil leader).

Welcome to the retrospective party political broadcast for the Conservative Party.

You forgot a few things

Do you remember 3.5 million on the dole?
Do you remember her being very unpopular and almost losing her first election to the worst labour leader ever?
Do you remember scraping the student loan?
Do you remember her being very unpopular with her own party and being ousted?
Do you remember the house price crash and the reposessions?
So you remember double digit interest rates?
Do you remember the sinking of the general Belgrano when it was outside the exclusion zone?
Do you remember selling arms to Sadam Hussain?
Do you remember the support to mass murderer Pinochet?