The Lady's not for turning !!!

[Lucy]

3.5 million people many of them skilled tradespeople were gangerine? Now I have heard it all! You live in cloud cuckoo land.

That isn't what I said, and you know it.

Medication time BP.

[Bagpuss]

That isn't what I said, and you know it.

Medication time BP.

OK, you might want to ask for a higher dose this time

[Lucy]

OK, you might want to ask for a higher dose this time

Yes, you probably do need a higher dose, or failing that, to read a little bit more.

[Bagpuss]

Yes, you probably do need a higher dose, or failing that, to read a little bit more.

Read the material you plagerise? no I'd rather go off fact than cut and paste from rabid right wing web sites with a distorted view of reality

[Lucy]

Read the material you plagerise? no I'd rather go off fact than cut and paste from rabid right wing web sites.

1. It's hardly 'fact'
2. I didn't plagerise anything
3. Libertarians are not 'right wing'

Give up now BP, rather than show your oikness to anyone else.

[Bagpuss]

1. It's hardly 'fact'
2. I didn't plagerise anything
3. Libertarians are not 'right wing'

Give up now BP, rather than show your oikness to anyone else.

You are always plagerising as you friend SASguru as pointed out. Why do you want to pass other peoples opinion off as your own?

My guess is you weren't living in this country in the 1980s

[DodgyAgent]

What is interesting is how totally polarised people are in their view on Thatcher. Whilst the traditional lefties will never accept what she did, it is the middle classes who present the most fascinating insight on how people's minds think.

On the one hand we have those that accept what Thatcher did as being somewhere between necessity and "should still be PM today", and on the other hand we have those middle classes who have clearly benefitted from her reforms yet so hate her (the word I think is hypocrite).

None of these Thatcher "haters" will present a coherent salient end to end argument that explains why we would have been better off without her. These people instead pick up on the weaknesses of her regime (of which there were many- even though they were also irrelevant in the grand scheme of what she achieved), and the fallout effect of her policies.

Most of us who enjoy life working in an economy with relative freedom realise that the true damage to society and the economy was not dished out by Thatcher, but was done in the preceeeding years of her regime.

is it an intelligence thing? is it guilt? is it stupidity? is it the fact Thatcher is a woman? Is it that Thatcher exposed the state for what it really is-certainly NOT an institution that improves the lives of the less fortunate. I dont know the answer. One thing is for sure these people who so hate her are incapable of offering an alternative contemporary vision as to what should have happened in the 80s.

[Lucy]

You are always plagerising as you friend SASguru as pointed out. Why do you want to pass other peoples opinion off as your own?

My guess is you weren't living in this country in the 1980s

When have I plagerised?

And that matters because?

I am not going to argue with you anymore, it's boring and the only thing worse than sadguru is someone who quotes him.

[Lucy]

What is interesting is how totally polarised people are in their view on Thatcher. Whilst the traditional lefties will never accept what she did, it is the middle classes who present the most fascinating insight on how people's minds think.

On the one hand we have those that accept what Thatcher did as being somewhere between necessity and "should still be PM today", and on the other hand we have those middle classes who have clearly benefitted from her reforms yet so hate her (the word I think is hypocrite).

None of these Thatcher "haters" will present a coherent salient end to end argument that explains why we would have been better off without her. These people instead pick up on the weaknesses of her regime (of which there were many- even though they were also irrelevant in the grand scheme of what she achieved), and the fallout effect of her policies.

Most of us who enjoy life working in an economy with relative freedom realise that the true damage to society and the economy was not dished out by Thatcher, but was done in the preceeeding years of her regime.

is it an intelligence thing? is it guilt? is it stupidity? is it the fact Thatcher is a woman? Is it that Thatcher exposed the state for what it really is-certainly NOT an institution that improves the lives of the less fortunate. I dont know the answer. One thing is for sure these people who so hate her are incapable of offering an alternative contemporary vision as to what should have happened in the 80s.

Exactly!

[Bagpuss]

When have I plagerised?

And that matters because?

I am not going to argue with you anymore, it's boring and the only sthing worse than sadguru is someone who quotes him.

It matters becuase you seem to have the text book view of someone who didn't live though the Thatcher years. The kind of view that cannot accept that she did any wrong, I suppose political History books will always flatter to decieve. The idol worshipers won't accept that she went too far in dismantling industry, largely because the union vendetta contolled her rational thought. They cannot accept that the economic poilcy was flawed in the same fashion as Labours' house price explosion boom. She lowered tax and removed red tape, little else she did is of lasting merit. Crime skyrocketed, Spending on social security skyrocketed, the system encouraged the single parent ferel kid fiasco we have today. In summary she used a sledgehammer to crack a nut with UK industry and precipitated the social mess we are in today