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    #11
    The article is rubbish.

    It assumes that one equates class to income.

    This is a fundamental mistake that an aspirational rag like the ToryGraph is bound to make.

    'Class' is about breeding, manners, taste, honour and decency.

    The Working Class have some honour, much decency, no breeding, little taste and a modicum of manners.

    The Middle Classes have little breeding, an unnecessary burden of manners, little honour, impeccable taste, and generally have only a shred of decency.

    The Upper Classes have no manners, no taste, little decency, lots of 'breeding', and often much honour.
    Last edited by bogeyman; 21 April 2008, 16:39.

    You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.

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      #12
      I’m lower than lower working class and proud of it.
      How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

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        #13
        People obsessed with class usually don't have any

        can somone born into a poor background change class?
        Last edited by Bagpuss; 21 April 2008, 16:39.
        The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

        But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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          #14
          Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
          People obsessed with class usually don't have any
          Were your ears burning baggy?

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            #15
            Originally posted by bogeyman View Post
            The article is rubbish.

            It assumes that one equates class to income.

            This is a fundamental mistake that an aspirational rag like the ToryGraph is bound to make.
            People have always changed class, sometimes within one generation e.g. during the plagues that beset Britain social mobility from Surf to Lord of the Manor was common. Breeding? nah, more opportunity and mimicry I would say
            The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

            But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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              #16
              Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
              People obsessed with class usually don't have any

              can somone born into a poor background change class?
              If Kevin Smith wins the lottery and changes his name to Charles Forbes-Harrington, moves from Peckham to an country estate in the Cotswolds, and has elecution lessons and takes up shooting and polo, then yes. Maybe.

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                #17
                Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
                If Kevin Smith wins the lottery and changes his name to Charles Forbes-Harrington, moves from Peckham to an country estate in the Cotswolds, and has elecution lessons and takes up shooting and polo, then yes. Maybe.
                But 'Charles Forbes-Harrington' would still lust after the biggest possible plasma TV, a thing that any real gentleman would abhor.

                You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by bogeyman View Post
                  The article is rubbish.

                  It assumes that one equates class to income.

                  This is a fundamental mistake that an aspirational rag like the ToryGraph is bound to make.

                  'Class' is about breeding, manners, taste, honour and decency.

                  The Working Class have some honour, much decency, no breeding, little taste and a modicum of manners.

                  The Middle Classes have little breeding, an unnecessary burden of manners, little honour, impeccable taste, and generally have only a shred of decency.

                  The Upper Classes have no manners, no taste, little decency, lots of 'breeding', and often much honour.



                  I prefer the income measure - made me middle class. BY your definition I am lower class.

                  I must be less well mannered...

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post


                    I prefer the income measure - made me middle class.
                    No.

                    It makes you 'Middle Income'.

                    You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.

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                      #20
                      Scenario 1
                      2 brothers born into a middle class family, ones becomes a doctor the other a car mechanic. Are they both now a different class?

                      Scenario 2
                      A child born into a working class family is adopted by an upper class family and is subject to all advantages that affords him, top public school etc. Is he upper class? because he has inferior breeding he must still be working class right?
                      Last edited by Bagpuss; 21 April 2008, 18:02.
                      The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

                      But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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