what's different about working in finance?

[Moscow Mule]

permie mates .

Is there an oxymoron smilie?

[aussielong]

Is there an oxymoron smilie?

done know

but your signature is an anagram of "i fart and love bad cunnilingus farts"

[snaw]

Not in the IB where i work - even the permies are grafting - and nobody is treading water. You sound really cool. Why don't you help your permie mates by spreading your vast knowledge.

I've worked in Banks for the best part of 15 years, inc two of the top three. I'm by no means suggesting all permies are rubbish, cause it's not true. But there are a fair few people in permie roles who've been there a while and are very comfortable - who should be worried right now, cause if they get kicked out into the real world they'll find that the last 10/15 years spent learning the processes of the particular bank they work in, as opposed to trying to up their skillset will find them in trouble.

An recent example for me - my last role, at a big bank, had a team of 8 guys - 4 perm/4 contractors, 3 of us contractors with CCIE's, the other a decent CCNP, who basically bar one permie guy did most of the really technical stuff.

Three of the permie guys would struggle in a technical interview if they left and would struggle to get work. That scenario isn't unique in my experience to my last contract (Or the current one I'm on - but that's not banking for a change and the permies here are in no danger).

There are crap contractors out there, but they don't last long in banking - permie ones are a bit harder to get rid of ...

[aussielong]

I've worked in Banks for the best part of 15 years, inc two of the top three. I'm by no means suggesting all permies are rubbish, cause it's not true. But there are a fair few people in permie roles who've been there a while and are very comfortable - who should be worried right now, cause if they get kicked out into the real world they'll find that the last 10/15 years spent learning the processes of the particular bank they work in, as opposed to trying to up their skillset will find them in trouble.

An recent example for me - my last role, at a big bank, had a team of 8 guys - 4 perm/4 contractors, 3 of us contractors with CCIE's, the other a decent CCNP, who basically bar one permie guy did most of the really technical stuff.

Three of the permie guys would struggle in a technical interview if they left and would struggle to get work. That scenario isn't unique in my experience to my last contract (Or the current one I'm on - but that's not banking for a change and the permies here are in no danger).

There are crap contractors out there, but they don't last long in banking - permie ones are a bit harder to get rid of ...

I didn't realise there was a Sys Admin contract market. I assumed most people on here were developers like me.

[oracleslave]

I didn't realise there was a Sys Admin contract market. I assumed most people on here were developers like me.

Some people move up from being code monkeys after a while.

[snaw]

I didn't realise there was a Sys Admin contract market. I assumed most people on here were developers like me.

Look up from your keyboard and have a look around. There's a touch more than just sysadmin or developers in the IT world.

[BlasterBates]

There are crap contractors out there, but they don't last long in banking...

You'd be surprised....

[snaw]

You'd be surprised....

Actually no, you're right - but they're outnumbered by crap permies imo. Some people are naturally good at hiding how sh!te they really are.

[aussielong]

Some people move up from being code monkeys after a while.

Move up to what? What can you move up to that isn't a different career?

[oracleslave]

Move up to what? What can you move up to that isn't a different career?

Good point. The only people that work in IT are developers