New Labour Founder

[darmstadt]

So he's kicked the bucket then? The man who took the UK into Europe and basically started New Labour.

[wendigo100]

Grammar-Grub Grocer Gives up the Ghost

The legacy of our ivory-tickling sailor was the three-day week, locking the UK into the process of a United States of Europe by stealth, and England failing to qualify for a world cup for the first time.

John Major only achieved two out of three, so this makes Heath the worst Tory PM in living memory.

[wendigo100]

Terrible Tory Ted Turns up his Toes

I just thought of another one.

[wendigo100]

Hapless Heath Has Had His chips

And another

[WageSlave]

Greatest Tory

Okay, given that this board is mainly Tory in its sympathy, and clearly Ted Heath doesn't hold much of a place in your hearts, who was the best Tory leader/PM?

[Lucifer Box]

Okay, given that this board is mainly Tory in its sympathy, and clearly Ted Heath doesn't hold much of a place in your hearts, who was the best Tory leader/PM?

The Earl of Bute. Successfully concluded the Seven Years War and opposed additional cider taxes. Top bloke.

[WageSlave]

The Earl of Bute. Successfully concluded the Seven Years War and opposed additional cider taxes. Top bloke.

When I said 'Tory', perhaps I should have been a little more specific! Whigs & Tories....

Lucifer, once again your knowledge of obscure facts is both impressive and slightly worrying. Do you enter a lot of pub quiz nights?

[Lucifer Box]

When I said 'Tory', perhaps I should have been a little more specific! Whigs & Tories....

Lucifer, once again your knowledge of obscure facts is both impressive and slightly worrying. Do you enter a lot of pub quiz nights?

Technically speaking the last Tory PM was the Earl of Aberdeen who left office in 1855. The last Whig PM was Viscount Melbourne who left office in 1841. The first Conservative PM in the modern sense was the Earl of Derby, but strictly speaking only in the last of his three terms (1866-8).

Not, really, no. The last pub quiz I was in was in 1999 in an Irish theme bar behind the Egyptian Embassy in Amman. I won the most putrid bottle of wine I've ever had the mispleasure to drink. By a bizarre coincidence, I'm going to to my first one since then this Thursday.

To save anyone else the bother, zzzzzzzzzzz....

[WageSlave]

Lucifer, I'll have to rely on your honesty....do you genuinely know the stuff you post or is the result of a quick google search?

I'll modify the question....who is/was the best Conservative leader/MP?

[Lucifer Box]

I knew the Earl of Bute was the first Tory PM. The others I looked up.