Death of the pub

[AtW]

Which should is that? Why should it?

Young people get drunk because it is very cheap to buy booze - I don't think price raise is the answer - the answer is to put those young scumbags into jail for the rest of their pathetic lifes, but having 40p per can of Tesco value beer is taking the piss - if anything it affects good brands like Badger, there ought to be minimum sale price.

Same for smokes - there has got to be a steep known in advance escalator so that anyone smoking will know that in 5 years smokes will cost double the amount they do now, so there will be incentive to quit.

Same for petrol - tax duty should raise big time on it while keeping it same on diesel - this should encourage switching to more economical engines, frankly right now diesel price is growing faster than petrol which is very wrong as diesel is supposed to be inherently cheaper than more refined petrol.

[realityhack]

I reckon prices on booze need to be at least doubled.

I don't think price raise is the answer

[AtW]

It's not the answer on it's own - you need proper enforcement, however raising price might help finance extra police and prisons to deal with consequences of drinking: which of course in this case won't happen as Nu Liebor just want the money to make things "fair".

[expat]

Young people get drunk because it is very cheap to buy booze - I don't think price raise is the answer - the answer is to put those young scumbags into jail for the rest of their pathetic lifes, but having 40p per can of Tesco value beer is taking the piss - if anything it affects good brands like Badger, there ought to be minimum sale price.
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You're repeating yourself at greater length, not answering the question.
Why should something, even something that is harmful if taken to excess, be priced high enough to make people unable to buy enough to cause themselves harm? What I mean is, why is it the government's business to control prices in order to affect people's behaviour?

[Moscow Mule]

Young people get drunk because it is very cheap to buy booze -.

No - young people get drunk because they think it makes them look cool and grown up.

Teenagers are rebellious - fact of life. It's part of growing up.

What should be done is to turn being pissed out of your head in to something socially unacceptable (much the same as drink driving has been) then the problem will iron itself out in a decade or so.

I think a lot of problems associated with teenagers in this country are a result of NL trying to fix things instantaneously instead of giving new initiatives a chance to work.

You can see a similar situation in our schools where there is something new for teachers to implement every two years, just as the last initiative can be seen to be working...

[realityhack]

No - young people get drunk because they think it makes them look cool and grown up.

pre-cise-ly

[AtW]

Why should something, even something that is harmful if taken to excess, be priced high enough to make people unable to buy enough to cause themselves harm?

It's one of the functions of taxation - to alter behavior with higher or lower prices.

My view is that something causes trouble (drink problems for example), then duty should be slapped on it in order to finance at least negating all the bad effects of that thing.

What's your alternative anyway?

[AtW]

No - young people get drunk because they think it makes them look cool and grown up.

I'd rather have them smoke - this way they only die themselves rather than get drunk and kill people.

[Moscow Mule]

It's one of the functions of taxation - to alter behavior with higher or lower prices.

I think it's been proven (in the UK & Scandinavia at least) that this doesn't work when drinking to excess is examined.

[DimPrawn]

You really think deeply on issues don't you AtW?