Originally posted by zeitghost
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Oh dear (tm), Jihad about to be declared on Turkey!
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Originally posted by threaded View PostThe combination of Hellenistic rationality with Hebrew faith "Give unto Caeser" etc. which led to the promotion of the sciences and arts giving us in the west the scientific method as opposed to the rhetoric of other traditions.
I mean, 1800 years of Christianity = no progress
200 years of Enlightenment = man on the moon among other notable advancesComment
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Originally posted by Bod View Posta mate of mine has a t-shirt with the logo (large letters, white on black) "Christiany is Stupid."
Replace 'Christianity' with 'Islam' on that T-Shirt and see the 'debates' your mate will get into wearing that.
Now, your mate is wearing that T-Shirt in ostensibly a Christian country. See if he's brave enough to wear the second T-Shirt in an Islamic country. See how far he gets with that one.
My point is this - our society, like it or not, is underpinned by Christian values - many of our laws are built around those principles, whether you're religious or not. And the carrying through of the Hellenistic rationale - excellent point Threaded - has propelled our societies through Philosophy, Enquiry, debate, and later Science, while providing a robust framework allowing for the Enlightenment (post Rome), for the separation of church and state and mutual respect (or at the least, tolerance) of differing viewpoints.
This is the reformation Islam needs to undergo - it may be messy, but it looks like the latest front lines are in Turkey - best of luck to them.Comment
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Originally posted by realityhack View PostMy point is this - our society, like it or not, is underpinned by Christian values
Religious people are inherently irrational and I'm always wary of irrational people.Kneel before BodComment
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Originally posted by Cheshire Cat View PostOMG, this is in danger of being a balanced, reasoned debate. Quick, someone have a poll!Comment
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Originally posted by zeitghostActually it was us...
I didn't know they were lizard monsters thoughComment
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