Muppets 2........

[Sockpuppet]

It seems this tramlining of the inside lane is a fairly recent thing as I don't recall noticing them about 10 years ago. Are they using poorer grade surfacing, or is it just the increase in heavy goods traffic that's causing it?

The surfacing is just sh*t. It only happens on parts of the road network, some are fine.

I'll dig out the numbers from somewhere but over the last 30 years the number of lorries has gone up...but no by as much as you think. Certainly not as much as cars.

[BrilloPad]

The surfacing is just sh*t. It only happens on parts of the road network, some are fine.

I'll dig out the numbers from somewhere but over the last 30 years the number of lorries has gone up...but no by as much as you think. Certainly not as much as cars.

I am sure I read somewhere that a single lorry damages the road as much as 250,000 cars.

[threaded]

I had some muppet flashing me because I was hogging the middle lane yesterday, I wouldn't have minded but the motorway was busy and there were quite a few cars in the slow lane. He seemed to think I should move to the inside lane at every opportunity.....

I really don't understand why they don't just get themselves into the fast lane and overtake you. I am of the opinion that it is maybe because they lack the skills to regularly change lane and want everyone else to do such work for them. Lazy burgers.

[PAH]

I really don't understand why they don't just get themselves into the fast lane and overtake you. I am of the opinion that it is maybe because they lack the skills to regularly change lane and want everyone else to do such work for them. Lazy burgers.

There do seem to be a lot that are petrified of driving on the motorway so amble along at 60 or hog a lane for as long as they can.

When I passed my test I was offered (and accepted) a lesson on motorway driving so I quickly realised it was easier than driving on normal roads. Don't they make motorway lessons mandatory nowadays? If not they should.

[ASB]

So plod can't actually stop us for undertaking, unless they decide it constitutes dangerous driving?

There is a suggestion here that it is illegal: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...17/emrip17.xml

I believe that to be wrong.

The police road death manual: http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/polici...d_19x04x04.pdf

"The joint police/CPS charging standards cites the following examples that may (my emphasis)
support an allegation of careless driving.
● Acts of driving caused by more than momentary inattention and where the safety
of road users is affected, such as:
● overtaking on the inside"

If you pass somebody on the nearside and then move in front of them this is likely to support a charge of careless/dangerous

Ultimately if you pass somebody on the nearside you will be culpable for anything that happens as a result of it.

[Bagpuss]

so we are left with ridiculous situations for example.. a queue in the outside lane to pass a truck 1/3 mile down the road, inside lane empty, middle half full. If everyone were in the correct lane for their speed, there would be no queue, no near misses from people changing middle to congested outside, no slamming on of brakes and resultant stopping etc.

[PAH]

so we are left with ridiculous situations for example.. a queue in the outside lane to pass a truck 1/3 mile down the road, inside lane empty, middle half full. If everyone were in the correct lane for their speed, there would be no queue, no near misses from people changing middle to congested outside, no slamming on of brakes and resultant stopping etc.

In those situations I've been very tempted to use the hard shoulder to undertake the truck and all the numpties clogging the lanes. I always resist because with my luck there would be someone broken down on the hard should just down the road, or an unmarked rozzer on my tail waiting for people to try what I'm thinking.

[Spacecadet]

so we are left with ridiculous situations for example.. a queue in the outside lane to pass a truck 1/3 mile down the road, inside lane empty, middle half full. If everyone were in the correct lane for their speed, there would be no queue, no near misses from people changing middle to congested outside, no slamming on of brakes and resultant stopping etc.

Thats also down to crap driving standards, drivers not knowing how to zip merge lanes, drivers not leaving suitable gaps, drivers "defending" the gap in front of them.

How many times have you seen 2 cars which after passing over taking trucks remain in lane 3 for no reason, the lead car only changing to lane 2 (never lane 1) after the tailing car has given up and dropped down a lane.

A lot of drivers display the worst habits of sheep and racing car drivers. They pay no attention at all except to the car in front, and they hate anyone getting one over them and progressing faster.

[BrilloPad]

Thats also down to crap driving standards, drivers not knowing how to zip merge lanes, drivers not leaving suitable gaps, drivers "defending" the gap in front of them.

How many times have you seen 2 cars which after passing over taking trucks remain in lane 3 for no reason, the lead car only changing to lane 2 (never lane 1) after the tailing car has given up and dropped down a lane.

A lot of drivers display the worst habits of sheep and racing car drivers. They pay no attention at all except to the car in front, and they hate anyone getting one over them and progressing faster.

I agree with bagpuss - make undertaking legal.

But you are highlighting a general problem with society - lack of consideration for others.

[bogeyman]

What I want to know is why trucks and 'pantechnicons' always choose to overtake each other, uphill, in the cutting on the M40 near Stokenchurch going SE towards London.

Is it a sort of game?

They overtake, but with differential speeds that could be measured in millimeters per hour, blocking the middle lane, and generally pissing off drivers of smaller vehicles.

What's it all about eh?

Perhaps our resident trucker could enlighten me.