Originally posted by bogeyman
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HMRC's obsession with contractors
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Talk about fighting an asymmetric war! The government enacts oppressive policies based on their deluded prejudices and those that would defend against them have to search for primary and unambiguous source material. Unfortunately, no matter how well researched and reasoned the defence may be those that would judge the case are under control of the government and even if they did support the complainant, the government would change the rules or form of the oppression.
I am so glad I am out of the game. It is so clear to me why some groups turn to violence; it is the only way to communicate with the government.How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.
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Originally posted by HairyArsedBloke View PostIt is so clear to me why some groups turn to violence; it is the only way to communicate with the government.Comment
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Originally posted by HairyArsedBloke View PostTalk about fighting an asymmetric war! The government enacts oppressive policies based on their deluded prejudices and those that would defend against them have to search for primary and unambiguous source material. Unfortunately, no matter how well researched and reasoned the defence may be those that would judge the case are under control of the government and even if they did support the complainant, the government would change the rules or form of the oppression.
I am so glad I am out of the game. It is so clear to me why some groups turn to violence; it is the only way to communicate with the government.Comment
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Sorry didn’t read the previous posts in detail, as am on the verge of signing a new contract, I have asked my accountant (who actually works for the local tax office part time) He confirmed that HMRC is taking an increased active and continuous interest in investigating the IT contractor’s status (within or outside the IR35). OK this is not new to most of you.
The main areas in the contract in question are:
1-Whether the contract work is at the client's premises (i.e. naming a specific premises to execute service)
2-Definition of professional day and naming fixed hours
3- Allowance for substitution of personnel (with an outline to show how it could be feasible were the need to arise and that no monies due during the hand-over).
4- Whether the Agency/Client contract also reflects the conditions above.
Can I ask how are you going about ensuring the above conditions ? Obviously I have insisted that there would be no definition of fixed hours in my contracts, and having a substitution clauses… but what about ensuring the agency/client contract stipulates such condition (in most cases the agency/client contract would have been agreed well before a contract joins) I personally propose to officially write to the agency and have a written confirmation from them that such conditions are reflected in the client/agency contract, but not sure if this is suffice, and what should I do if they confirm that the answer is actually NO?
Ok – to the guys who are saying they are happy they are out of the game – I don’t understand, if you are a permie and have a decent wages, then the employer would charge you full taxes anyway, so our worst scenario would be to equate a contractor to an employee taxes, only we have the choice to get out of the situation!! Am I missing anything?Comment
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Originally posted by SandyDown View PostI don’t understand, if you are a permie and have a decent wages, then the employer would charge you full taxes anyway, so our worst scenario would be to equate a contractor to an employee taxes, only we have the choice to get out of the situation!! Am I missing anything?Comment
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The Paymaster General, no less, compared us to 'glorified typists' and war was promptly declared.Last edited by Marina; 15 February 2008, 11:51.Comment
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Originally posted by SandyDown View PostThe main areas in the contract in question are:
1-Whether the contract work is at the client's premises (i.e. naming a specific premises to execute service)
2-Definition of professional day and naming fixed hours
3- Allowance for substitution of personnel (with an outline to show how it could be feasible were the need to arise and that no monies due during the hand-over).
4- Whether the Agency/Client contract also reflects the conditions above.
The agency flat refused to amend to making the contract IR35 friendly which resulted in (after 3 weeks of negotiating / hollering down the phone) me not taking the contract.
Another good one there SThree.Comment
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Originally posted by Pinto View PostEmployer's NI. Always the thing that annoys me the most about IR35. If you're a disguised employee of Clientco, and all your income is taxed as such, you shouldn't need to also pay Employer's NI.
Surely it's only "fair" that whoever is deemed to be your employer (client or agent) pays this tax. Of course they will just lower your rate to accomodate the additional cost, but it's the principle innit!
Either that or let us work as self-employed...Don't ask Beaker. He's just another muppet.Comment
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