Oh Dear: Gang kills father for mountain bike

**Lucifer Box** · 8 July 2005, 10:37

On a similar note, did anyone see the Dispatches programme last night, where they sent an undercover supply teacher with a hidden camera into several comprehensive schools. Anyone who still hails comprehensive education as the way forward has to watch that programme before defending it.

I felt so sorry for the handful of kids of ability in those classes, having their lives ruined by NL's insistence that disruptive kids should not be excluded from classes. There were constant fights in the classroom, non-stop chat, kids using their mobiles. In one lesson, the teacher was only able to get all the kids to sit down 10 minutes before the lesson ended.

**WageSlave** · 8 July 2005, 11:14

It comes back to a lack of discipline. There's no fear of authority or punishment (these kids tend to know their human rights in more depth than a lawyer) which is an explosive mix when combined with poor social integration and declining standards. Although I'm sure Snaw would disagree with me.

**Lucifer Box** · 8 July 2005, 11:17

Slave, you need to wring you hands a bit more and somehow believe that it's "your fault". Or rather that it's everybody else's fault other than yours, because you are left leaning and have a social conscience.

**shaunbhoy** · 8 July 2005, 11:17

Were they inner city schools?

**WageSlave** · 8 July 2005, 11:22

Oh the poor kids; they never had a chance. I'm to blame; if only I had given more to the needy. I should have adopted them...inner city, no father figure, denied the luxuries that others had - no wonder it happened.

How's that, Lucifer?

**Lucifer Box** · 8 July 2005, 11:27

Originally posted by shaunbhoy

Were they inner city schools?

All over. The worst was in Islington though. They focussed on the schools Ofsted had identified as "the most improved" - they were all useless from what I could see and there were widespread allegations of cooking the books in order to reach targets.

Apparently there are these GNVQ things, so-called "vocational qualifications". Much easier than GCSE's (which says something) but if you "pass" it counts in your figures as 4 x GCSEs. To meet your target you need pupils with 5 x GCSEs "or equivalent", so many of these supposedly dramatically improved schools are funneling the kids into doing a GNVQ in car maintenance (where the largest portion of the mark is assessment by the class teacher). Bingo, all you need is one GCSE pass at grade 'C' and you as a school have hit your target.

**Lucifer Box** · 8 July 2005, 11:29

Originally posted by WageSlave

Oh the poor kids; they never had a chance. I'm to blame; if only I had given more to the needy. I should have adopted them...inner city, no father figure, denied the luxuries that others had - no wonder it happened.

How's that, Lucifer?

Textbook answer, Slave. The handwringers on the board would be proud of you. Now put a quid in a charity box and forget all about it until the next documentary is on.

**shaunbhoy** · 8 July 2005, 11:30

You will always get scum in the inner cities, it's where all the deprived poor people live.

**WageSlave** · 8 July 2005, 11:39

Originally posted by shaunbhoy

You will always get scum in the inner cities, it's where all the deprived poor people live.

You are obviously a caricature of a little englander. Haven't you got any innocent foxes to kill!?

Oh Dear: Gang kills father for mountain bike