Squirrel camouflage

[Ardesco]

Blah blah what a hypocrite - if you had principles you'd be a vegetarian.
But you're happy for abattoir workers to do your killing for you.
I've been to one, believe me it's not nice, it may be quick but who's to say it's humane? The animals generally can smell the blood and know they're about to be killed, judging by the noise they make.

Realistically how humane can a slaughterhouse be? Animals are not stupid, they must have a decent idea they are going to get it. However done properly thier suffering is minimal. I know there are some people who get jobs in slaughterhouses so they can abuse animals who are going to be killed anyway, but generally speaking they are in the minority.

A properly run slaughter house is about as killing something for food gets.

[Jog On]

I see them a lot as well.... in London..

[Denny]

Blah blah what a hypocrite - if you had principles you'd be a vegetarian.

I don't consider myself to be a hypocrite at all because I'm not saying I do one thing but do another instead. I readily admit to my limitations and am not proud of the fact that I am not a veggie. I just choose not to be and I wear leather as well.

I buy free range meat and animals have to be stunned before they are killed. Well, at least i hope so. I've already acknowledged that some animal activists wouldn't think I go far enough and I respect that stance.

As for being a veggie. The milk industry has also come under some criticism because of the amount of calves that are culled or shipped off abroad for meat consumption - usually travelling under dire conditions before they are killed. So even being a dairy consumer is not really enough.

If you are serious about animal welfare whereby you don't want anything killed at all, you'd have to go vegan.

[Jog On]

I don't consider myself to be a hypocrite at all because I'm not saying I do one thing but do another instead. I readily admit to my limitations and am not proud of the fact that I am not a veggie. I just choose not to be and I wear leather as well.

I buy free range meat and animals have to be stunned before they are killed. Well, at least i hope so. I've already acknowledged that some animal activists wouldn't think I go far enough and I respect that stance.

As for being a veggie. The milk industry has also come under some criticism because of the amount of calves that are culled or shipped off abroad for meat consumption - usually travelling under dire conditions before they are killed. So even being a dairy consumer is not really enough.

If you are serious about animal welfare whereby you don't want anything killed at all, you'd have to go vegan.

Do you wear make up and perfume and buy expensive 'personal grooming' products?

[Denny]

Do you wear make up and perfume and buy expensive 'personal grooming' products?

I buy animal experiment free cosmetics and shampoo. But even if I didn't I still wouldn't necessarily be in the clear. Mainly because there are probably hundreds of other products I use in my house that are also tested on animals - cleaners, drugs etc.

People would probably go around the bend if they tried to ensure everything they ever used was not tested on animals. It's probably impossible, mainly because the packaging is not always clear about this. Even if the final product says 'not tested on animals' that doesn't mean that the ingredients the product was made with were not. Marketing is very good at disguising what it doesn't want purchasers to know.

The only way to stop pointless and unnecessary cruelty tested products is to campaign for its end whilst finding viable synthetic alternatives. It's not to drive yourself round the bend cleaning the bath with half a lemon or only washing the floor with white vinegar solution.

[Churchill]

I buy animal experiment free cosmetics and shampoo. But even if I didn't I still wouldn't necessarily be in the clear. Mainly because there are probably hundreds of other products I use in my house that are also tested on animals - cleaners, drugs etc.

People would probably go around the bend if they tried to ensure everything they ever used was not tested on animals. It's probably impossible, mainly because the packaging is not always clear about this. Even if the final product says 'not tested on animals' that doesn't mean that the ingredients the product was made with were not. Marketing is very good at disguising what it doesn't want purchasers to know.

The only way to stop pointless and unnecessary cruelty tested products is to campaign for its end whilst finding viable synthetic alternatives. It's not to drive yourself round the bend cleaning the bath with half a lemon or only washing the floor with white vinegar solution.

Surely if you weren't so pig ugly and smelled like a sow you wouldn't have to use so many cosmetics!

Churchill - In "This was a public service announcement on behalf of the God You're Tedious Party" mode!

[Denny]

Surely if you weren't so pig ugly and smelled like a sow you wouldn't have to use so many cosmetics!

Churchill - In "This was a public service announcement on behalf of the God You're Tedious Party" mode!

I don't wear much make up, as it happens. But I would recommend that you use some lipstick yourself - probably one that has superglue as an ingredient.
Then you wouldn't be so inclined to open that big gob of yours and insult someone you've never met or seen.

[oracleslave]

I don't wear much make up, as it happens. But I would recommend that you use some lipstick yourself - probably one that has superglue as an ingredient.
Then you wouldn't be so inclined to open that big gob of yours and insult someone you've never met or seen.

[Churchill]

I don't wear much make up, as it happens. But I would recommend that you use some lipstick yourself - probably one that has superglue as an ingredient.
Then you wouldn't be so inclined to open that big gob of yours and insult someone you've never met or seen.

One must thank the Lord for such small mercies...

Btw, how do you know we've never met?

You could be one of my many conquests...

Churchill - In "Damning indictment" mode!

[Denny]

One must thank the Lord for such small mercies...

Btw, how do you know we've never met?

You could be one of my many conquests...

Churchill - In "Damning indictment" mode!

Churchilll in 'bloody pain in the arse mode' you mean!

Go and get me a bourbon.