In memory of those who gave

[sasguru]

It's quite revealing that dear old Tone, who never served in any service, got this country involved in more wars than any P.M. for the last 100 years.

The man is a gurning idiot.

[KathyWoolfe]

I didn't go to a remembrance day parade yesterday but I did see the one in London as broadcast by the BBC. I always observe the remembrance day ceremonies and I am diligent in buying a poppy. I was lucky to be able to visit a British Legion shop and speak with one of the attendants there instead of just picking one up from a box on the counter of a shop.

My father fought in WWII and luckily survived without physical injury (otherwise I wouldn't be here) and I consider myself considerably indebted to both the survivors and the fallen for their courage and endurance in the face of a danger I do not feel capable of facing myself.

Here's an idea that I have just had. Normally I just throw away my poppy after remembrance day (or armistice day, whichever comes last) but this year I intend to make the effort to visit a war memorial and add my poppy to those laid there during the ceremony.

[VectraMan]

This is about remembrance of all who fell, not the specific heroics of a few.

That was my point really - is it? The language is about pride, and bravery and nobility and people "giving" their lives, not about rememberance. I've no problem with paying respects to those who died, but what should be forefront in our minds is that those lives were wasted. We shouldn't feel pride, we should feel shame that our leaders (and I'm counting both sides) engaged in the wholesale slaughter of young men and that we let them.

I do sound like a peacenick.

[mace]

Remembrance Day

Shame on you Vectra. So conscripts aren't worthy of remembrance? Suppose you were hauled off to a war against your will and got killed by "random bad luck" - do we forget all about you and the family you leave behind?

This is about remembrance of all who fell, not the specific heroics of a few. By simply being there in the battlefield they were helping their side.

I believe that Remembrance Day is partly to remember those who died serving the country, and partly to remind us of the foolishness of war.

[DodgyAgent]

That was my point really - is it? The language is about pride, and bravery and nobility and people "giving" their lives, not about rememberance. I've no problem with paying respects to those who died, but what should be forefront in our minds is that those lives were wasted. We shouldn't feel pride, we should feel shame that our leaders (and I'm counting both sides) engaged in the wholesale slaughter of young men and that we let them.

I do sound like a peacenick.

So are you saying that we should not have gone to war against the Germans in WW2?

[Troll]

So are you saying that we should not have gone to war against the Germans in WW2?

There were some within the cabinet who argued that once France had fallen we should have sued for peace
Also given the ultimate 55 million dead and our cities laid to waste was that a price worth paying for 5 miilion Poles?

[DimPrawn]

There were some within the cabinet who argued that once France had fallen we should have sued for peace
Also given the ultimate 55 million dead and our cities laid to waste was that a price worth paying for 5 miilion Poles?

Think how much a Plumber would cost now if we hadn't.

[sasguru]

There were some within the cabinet who argued that once France had fallen we should have sued for peace
Also given the ultimate 55 million dead and our cities laid to waste was that a price worth paying for 5 miilion Poles?

You really are an ignorant and stupid little cretin, aren't you?

[Troll]

Think how much a Plumber would cost now if we hadn't.

...no Iron Curtain...no American dominance... no Israel,

[DimPrawn]

...no Iron Curtain...no American dominance... no Israel,

No Britain....