C4 Dispatches - immigrants really good for Britain

[shaunbhoy]

Are you talking about the Celts?
Was a lot more than 250 years ...

The Celts have never really been subjugated, not in the way the rest of the native tribes of these isles have anyway. You'd know that if you could read.

[DodgyAgent]

Actually no, the riches my ancestors had before the British closed down their business was far more than I can ever make in IT. Companies like TATA and Reliance Industries made huge comebacks after the British left.

Forget about me thanking you, maybe you should thank India for the enormous wealth you got from her.

Oh dear we have a "victim". May I suggest that had your lot not been so happy clappy and bothered to try and understand a little bit about world history and human nature, then you would have developed an army sufficiently strong and astute enough to repel the British. Therefore why dont you simply "move on" and if you dont like what happened to your country in the past then learn to live with it.

[xoggoth]

3Ill, no I wasn't referring to India, I specifically referred to Africa and South America. I do not disagree that India had a civilisation way beyond the tribal societies of those continents and, even if behind Europe, there was no benefit from the Raj that normal trade relations (as with Japan) would not have acheived anyway.

I also excluded North America and Australia as nobody in their right minds would argue that colonisation was a benefit to those people.

[shaunbhoy]

All relationships have a bit of give and take. In the case of India they gave, and we took. Life is like that, just deal with it and lose the tedious martyr behaviour.

[3ill]

Oh dear we have a "victim". May I suggest that had your lot not been so happy clappy and bothered to try and understand a little bit about world history and human nature, then you would have developed an army sufficiently strong and astute enough to repel the British. Therefore why dont you simply "move on" and if you dont like what happened to your country in the past then learn to live withw to it.

I actually agree with you, India should have formed a strong army to fight off the invaders.

With regards to moving on.. if you knew anything about India and its people is their ability "move on" as you put it.. a country that has been invaded, looted of its riches for close to almost 800+ years and still has the ability to rise again surely knows how to "move on" why do you think India has such good relations with Britain, do you think the same would be true if India were the invaders of Britain?

[shaunbhoy]

why do you think India has such good relations with Britain

Because we dragged you into the 20th century and left you with the superior educational system that endowed you with the ability to stand on your own two feet. The fact that you only allow those of the upper castes to utilise this system says more about you than it does about the Raj. And had you not chosen to spend so much of the last 60 years squabbling pointlessly with your neighbours, perhaps you would not have fallen so far behind.

[3ill]

And had you not chosen to spend so much of the last 60 years squabbling pointlessly with your neighbours, perhaps you would not have fallen so far behind.

I guess thats another thing India should be thankful of.. the fantastic way Britain handled its exit strategy from India! 1 million dead.. divide and rule.. all great legacy's of the Raj. Thanks! Please add that to your list too.

Lets not forget, this was a mere 60 years ago!.. So back to my point on moving on, if India was the cause of 1 million Britains dieing because of there exit strategy would Britain or even its people consider India its friends? I think not...

[shaunbhoy]

I guess thats another thing India should be thankful of.. the fantastic way Britain handled its exit strategy from India! 1 million dead.. divide and rule.. all great legacy's of the Raj. Thanks! Please add that to your list too.

Lets not forget, this was a mere 60 years ago!.. So back to my point on moving on, if India was the cause of 1 million Britains dieing because of there exit strategy would Britain or even its people consider India its friends? I think not...

Always someone else's fault with your type isn't it? The fact that Hindus and Muslims could not jointly come up with a peaceful solution between them is down to them and them alone. You wanted the British out and when we left you to sort things out for yourself you were burning and massacring each other with fanatical zeal. Don't try and blame the departing British for your own bloodthirsty prejudices, the only reason you had not slaughtered each other prior to 1947 was down to the fact that we were fervently preventing you from doing so. Nothing to do with exit strategies, it was plain old-fashioned sectarian hatred. And for all the faults of the Raj, religious intolerance was not amongst them.

[3ill]

Always someone else's fault with your type isn't it? The fact that Hindus and Muslims could not jointly come up with a peaceful solution between them is down to them and them alone. You wanted the British out and when we left you to sort things out for yourself you were burning and massacring each other with fanatical zeal. Don't try and blame the departing British for your own bloodthirsty prejudices, the only reason you had not slaughtered each other prior to 1947 was down to the fact that we were fervently preventing you from doing so. Nothing to do with exit strategies, it was plain old-fashioned sectarian hatred. And for all the faults of the Raj, religious intolerance was not amongst them.

Please... divide and rule is a well documented "technique" the British used. What about the fact that the British appointed some dude who had no clue on India to decide where the separation line should be. Of course, I guess that is also the fault of the Indians...

Listen, I'm sure there were benefits that India got from the Raj, but in comparison these were minimal. My only point is that the British ****ed up A LOT in India many times.. (Jallianwala Bagh massacre anyone??) so stop thinking that India and its people should be thankful for the occupation.

[_V_]

You are forgetting a few important points.

The British gave India the concept of a western education, the English language, railways to move people into cities to work, industrialisation and technology.

Without this, India today would be on par with many African countries.

Now we are giving India all our jobs, so what we have taken, we are giving back.