Lovely New Britain

[richard-af]

Maggies biggest (?) mistake.
She invented the ME generation.
Looking after Number 1 became the catchphrase.
Closely followed by the "it's nobodys fault" generation. With no fault comes no responsibilty.
Very soon you get state dependance.

I hope that is easyt enough to follow and extrapolate coz I am not going to explain.

I agree. The nastiest part of it all is that there's no way back. Any dreams of a resurgence in "Britishness" (or whatever magic quality it was that made Britain once so, so special) are just that... dreams.

[Bagpuss]

It all went down hill when people stopped telling off the kids and took to complaining about it on t'internet instead

[chicane]

It all went down hill when people stopped telling off the kids and took to complaining about it on t'internet instead

Did this happen before or after the kids started carrying knives?

[richard-af]

Are we harking back to a golden age that never existed? Different decades over the past century or so have had their own problems and I suspect we've always said things are going down the pan.

Going down and actually finally being there, are different.

I'm not saying we're in some sort of post-apocolyptic nightmare; I AM saying that the UK is now past, well past, ever being the Land Fit for Heroes, and all that. It's a Business, now.

[DodgyAgent]

I disagree.

It looks that way, of course. But the reality is that the State, as you mean, is vanishing and pretty quickly, too.

Unions? Toothless and all but gone.
Benefit System? Pleased to say that I don't have to rely on it.
Council Housing for the genuinely deserving? Ho ho!
You're on yer own, mate? Yep.

And that's when Society, Community, Nation become just words in the History books.

It is the state that strips communities of power to determine themselves. With the state (supposedly) taking responsibility for everything people no longer need to take personal responsibility for anything. The state is increasing its power and influence, all you need to do is look at the money that they take from us. It never goes down.

The problem that the state has is that it cannot control the rich. the rich can go where they like. They can take their wealth wherever they want, so it is the middle classses that they end up soaking.

[DodgyAgent]

Going down and actually finally being there, are different.

I'm not saying we're in some sort of post-apocolyptic nightmare; I AM saying that the UK is now past, well past, ever being the Land Fit for Heroes, and all that. It's a Business, now.

cliche! what does that mean?

[gingerjedi]

I'd like to say that it's the same all over Europe and its only a matter of time before other countries are the same but its not, we seem to have bred a bunch of state dependant selfish neanderthals that are running amok in this country... and their kids are just as bad.

Its not just a financial thing either, I cant understand how people can be so ruthless and selfish in order to get what they want be it a mobile phone, a car or just for kicks, it makes me sick to the stomach reading the news some days.

[milanbenes]

ok ok calm down lads,

how many have left or are planning to leave ?

Milan.

[richard-af]

It is the state that strips communities of power to determine themselves. With the state (supposedly) taking responsibility for everything people no longer need to take personal responsibility for anything. The state is increasing its power and influence, all you need to do is look at the money that they take from us. It never goes down.

The problem that the state has is that it cannot control the rich. the rich can go where they like. They can take their wealth wherever they want, so it is the middle classses that they end up soaking.

I don't blame the State - I blame you, me, my dad, his mum, her great uncle (well, maybe not THAT far back!), but WE all stood by and watched while our amazing country went pop.

[DodgyAgent]

I don't blame the State - I blame you, me, my dad, his mum, her great uncle (well, maybe not THAT far back!), but WE all stood by and watched while our amazing country went pop.

Not me. I have never voted for any socialist in my life.