Climate change is not caused by solar output

[dang65]

you just have to start thinking out of the box mate

Well, the impression I get from forums like this and from the recent survey of the British public and from the fact that hardly anyone in the UK and the US seems to have watched Live Earth and from the number of cars still clogging up the roads... it is people like me that are thinking out of the bloody box! The line you people are giving ("it's natural, don't worry about it") is the majority, commonly held belief despite all the solid scientific evidence to the contrary.

The arguments and disputes you find in the newspapers and on the web come from armchair scientists throwing out crackpot theories and arguing about them with each other. They don't come from real scientists, who actually know what's happening and have been trying to get everyone else to understand it for decades.

[Old Greg]

Do that. It is very enlightening. I expect that it was all the rage back in the days when the overwhelming scientific evidence "proved" the world was flat.

When was that?

[Numptycorner]

This overwhelming scientific evidence still can not explain the Vostock ice cores or the associated CO2 levels though can it.

Considering mans CO2 output has been on a steady increase since he first discovered fire there should be a clear and constant climb in Global temperatures should there not?

I am still concerned at the nature of the investigation.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...ths/index.html

[Old Greg]

This overwhelming scientific evidence still can not explain the Vostock ice cores or the associated CO2 levels though can it.

Considering mans CO2 output has been on a steady increase since he first discovered fire there should be a clear and constant climb in Global temperatures should there not?

I am still concerned at the nature of the investigation.

Science rarely explains everything - there'll always be gaps but we make judgements on what we've got (I'll look up Vostock - thanks for the pointer).

The thing with fire is:

CO2 fixed into carbon in trees.
Carbon burnt into CO2 by man in fire
CO2 fixed into carbon in trees and so on.

The most CO2 you can produce is by burning all the trees and not having any new ones grow.

Fossil fuels (which have only been mass exploited since the industrial revolution) are a different matter in terms of scale. There are huge deposits of carbon which can be burnt into CO2 very quickly, far outstripping the rates at which living organisms fossilise into new fossil fuels.

But I reckon you knew all that, so have I misunderstood your point?

[BlasterBates]

Can anyone explain the global warming on Mars ?

(Apparently Mars is warming up as well).

[dang65]

Do that. It is very enlightening. I expect that it was all the rage back in the days when the overwhelming scientific evidence "proved" the world was flat.

It's Wiki again, I know, but this article points out interesting parallels with climate change when it says, "It is difficult to tell what the wider population may have thought of the shape of the Earth – if they considered the question at all. It may have been as irrelevant to them as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is to most of our contemporaries."

Scientists and astronomers sussed out the world was round ages ago (300BC is one date on there) and no one with any education disputed it. The rest, as it says there... well, who knows? Seems similar to now. Most people just don't even think about it. How to make people think about it seems to be beyond even Al Gore and Madonna.

[EternalOptimist]

Can anyone explain the global warming on Mars ?

(Apparently Mars is warming up as well).

I read an article in farmers weekly about the methane produced by red 'mars cows'. These heifers live on red mars rocks and 'uhhlaaa - tripod' red weed.









bored

[Old Greg]

It's Wiki again, I know, but this article points out interesting parallels with climate change when it says, "It is difficult to tell what the wider population may have thought of the shape of the Earth – if they considered the question at all. It may have been as irrelevant to them as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is to most of our contemporaries."

Scientists and astronomers sussed out the world was round ages ago (300BC is one date on there) and no one with any education disputed it. The rest, as it says there... well, who knows? Seems similar to now. Most people just don't even think about it. How to make people think about it seems to be beyond even Al Gore and Madonna.

Aw - you've spoiled my fun now.

[dang65]

Can anyone explain the global warming on Mars ?

(Apparently Mars is warming up as well).

Yes. Basically, Mars is not Earth and it acts differently to Earth. Details here. Same applies to Pluto.

[shaunbhoy]

Can anyone explain the global warming on Mars ?

(Apparently Mars is warming up as well).

Not to mention Jupiter, Neptune, and Pluto. Now what do THEY all have in common with the Earth (apart from the sun and vast swathes of belching bovines driving 4x4s?)