Ban Alcohol

[DodgyAgent]

I thought sad, lonely, pathetic losers bevcame recruitment consultants? Isn't that what you do when you cannot get a real job?

You say no "decent" arguement was raised in your ban fishing thread, maybe because it was a stup[id thread with very weak arguements on your side?

And "noone has been killed by passive smoking", where have you been the last 50 years? There has been a mountain of evidence to show that you can catch cancer by passive smoking. You are an idiot.

show me one shred of proven evidence. And if my argument is so weak then surely it should fall at the feet of counter arguments?

[Troll]

I can't really add to this thread - except all the tolerance that this nation was once renowned for is rapidy disapearing

[Moscow Mule]

I can't really add to this thread - except all the tolerance that this nation was once renowned for is rapidy disapearing

Indeed - lilly livered chavs, ruining our national drinking prowess.

[Gibbon]

So did it say on his death certificate that he died from passive smoking? No
Was it proved that he died from passive smoking .. no
was it assumed that he died from passive smoking.. yes.

He died from a particulary nasty small cell lung cancer - which is almost exclusively caught by heavy smokers. Playing the trumpet in smokey clubs where he had to take deep breaths would have the same effect.

[BrilloPad]

So up next is alcohol.

no. up next are crap agents.

[DodgyAgent]

He died from a particulary nasty small cell lung cancer - which is almost exclusively caught by heavy smokers. Playing the trumpet in smokey clubs where he had to take deep breaths would have the same effect.

almost exclusively does not constitute certainty. Whereas someone kicked to death by a person drunk on alcohol or high on drugs is a certainty

[Let-Me-In]

almost exclusively does not constitute certainty. Whereas someone kicked to death by a person drunk on alcohol or high on drugs is a certainty

I see you are the type of person who in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence will turn round and say "I don't believe you"....

[KathyWoolfe]

No-one has "banned" smoking - mainly because it provides the government with revenue.
The same argument goes for drinking as this also provides the government with revenue. The only thing "they" (whoever "they" are) are against is getting drunk in public.
I'm only surprised that the government hasn't legalised harder drugs to get even more revenue.

[Rantor]

so banning something has nothing to do with public interest or principle? it must therefore be political

Banning it often has to do with the former but executed by the latter. The effectivness of the bans is a different matter.

The US introduced prohibition for a mixture of reasons but principle & public interest were pretty high up there (albeit managed via political lobbying.)

GPs in Scotland campaigned for the smoking ban due to the absurd mortality rate.

By default I'm against banning anything that can be left as a matter of personal choice. In practice I'd be more inclined to react to a ban on freedom of expression rather than public smoking as I have only so much free raging time these days.

[Let-Me-In]

Banning it often has to do with the former but executed by the latter. The effectivness of the bans is a different matter.

The US introduced prohibition for a mixture of reasons but principle & public interest were pretty high up there (albeit managed via political lobbying.)

GPs in Scotland campaigned for the smoking ban due to the absurd mortality rate.

By default I'm against banning anything that can be left as a matter of personal choice. In practice I'd be more inclined to react to a ban on freedom of expression rather than public smoking as I have only so much free raging time these days.

I agree that it should be left as a matter of choice, the only issue I have is the resources shortage that this causes. If we know that smoking damages our health and continue to do it, should we still be entitled to free treatment on NHS? This is kind of like a self induced illness and is true for people that drink too much and drug takers also. Not sure how we could progress that or what the moral issues would be but there are millions of people being denied life saving treatment for things that are not self induced and it does not seem right....