Glasgow Bombers...

[Old Greg]

Rantor and Greg and others:

You only seem to do this to those you perceive as right wing. You never seem to rip the lefties apart or suggest they have a far more left wing agenda than is apparent? You just argue the points based on the evidence before you.
Nobody suggests that left wing parties may take us down the road to Stalinism or similar.
Why is it a foregone conclusion that the BNP will end up as Nazis?

I don't do this to anyone I perceive as right wing, because I don't equate right wing with fascist. I do equate the BNP with fascist (I'm using the terms fascist and national socialist interchangeably as I think they pretty much are post-war - but if anyone wants to argue the difference between Mussollini and Hitler, that's fine). I've given my reasons in other threads and I can copy and paste if you like.

I don't go on about the Communist Party of Great Britain or its many variants because I don't come across anyone on these boards who supports them, but I'll be happy to point out the folly if anyone does. As for Respect, I find it an odd composite without a real direction. If anyone wants to present an analysis that Respect has a hidden Stalinist agenda, I'll read it with interest.

[The Lone Gunman]

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farri...758974,00.html

Because if this bloke is representative of them then there is no other way they can go...

So you dont see the anti BNP propaganda there? It is OK to question the BNP on mixed marriage to second the answer you require? What do you think the answer would be if you asked a Muslim the same question?
If you got the same answer would you find it as distasteful and would you be actively campaigning against them?

[Moscow Mule]

So you dont see the anti BNP propaganda there? It is OK to question the BNP on mixed marriage to second the answer you require? What do you think the answer would be if you asked a Muslim the same question?
If you got the same answer would you find it as distasteful and would you be actively campaigning against them?

Ask a moderate Muslim and you'll find a moderate answer.

Ask a fundamentalist and you'll get the answer you're after.

The BNP are fundamentalist white supremacists. The face they put on for the public is a lie.

[lilelvis2000]

The problem here is Islam, not being poor or being part of a lower class...it is squarely about Islam and how its still stuck in the middle ages.

Mailman

Has chrisitanity, Judaism, Hinduism or any other relegion modernised at all? Remember that the laws the government passes on such things as gay marriage, abortion, divorce have nothing to do with relegion. I'd gather that anything attributable to christian modernisation has been done more through humilation than any thing the church(s) have willingly wanted to do.

BTW: during the middle ages (and I know we've gone through this before) islam was way more advanced than christianity.

[Moscow Mule]

Trying to find BNP manifesto;

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[The Lone Gunman]

Ask a moderate Muslim and you'll find a moderate answer.

Ask a fundamentalist and you'll get the answer you're after.

The BNP are fundamentalist white supremacists. The face they put on for the public is a lie.

I could argue the same of Islam, the moderates are liars.
It clearly states in the Koran that a Muslim may not marry a non Muslim, in fact they may not take non Muslims as friends.
Any Muslim who says otherwise is not a Muslim.
Islam = BNP in so many ways yet the majority of folk are not willing to ask the hard questions or make the hard decisions.

[sasguru]

Rantor and Greg and others:

You only seem to do this to those you perceive as right wing. You never seem to rip the lefties apart or suggest they have a far more left wing agenda than is apparent? You just argue the points based on the evidence before you.
Nobody suggests that left wing parties may take us down the road to Stalinism or similar.
Why is it a foregone conclusion that the BNP will end up as Nazis?

Far leftism is just as bad as far rightism. History shows us they both lead to tyranny and oppression. No-one on here (maybe Benn0 is the sole exception) professes to be a fundamentalist leftie, or I'd lay into them too.

[Rantor]

Rantor and Greg and others:

You only seem to do this to those you perceive as right wing. You never seem to rip the lefties apart or suggest they have a far more left wing agenda than is apparent? You just argue the points based on the evidence before you.
Nobody suggests that left wing parties may take us down the road to Stalinism or similar.
Why is it a foregone conclusion that the BNP will end up as Nazis?

LG.

Honestly, I don't think the first part is true - it is more a case of who is putting their stuff forward.

I'd be the first to admit I sometimes don't pitch things at the right level (I suspect I make too much effort to be polite and not to Rant online) but I know that ff this forum was populated by NL stalwarts I'd be giving it plenty.

I do have a ingrained aversion to the far right as I believe they are still dangerous and we delude ourselves if we think we are immune to making very big mistakes. I also see everything about them as a contradiction as the issues they harp on about the most are their lifeblood. I stand by my earlier post about how I see their real aims.

The old extreme left in Britain have always been useless and are now incapable of any populist appeal.

For the record, I don't think there are any left(ish) wing parties that offer the prospect of Stalinism but I do believe the current governments propensity for centralising executive authority could help pave the way to an authoritarian state.

I think I may originally come from a similar part of the political spectrum as you (inferring things again ) but I have repeatedly expressed opposition to statism on here and elsewhere

[sasguru]

I could argue the same of Islam, the moderates are liars.
It clearly states in the Koran that a Muslim may not marry a non Muslim, in fact they may not take non Muslims as friends.
Any Muslim who says otherwise is not a Muslim.
Islam = BNP in so many ways yet the majority of folk are not willing to ask the hard questions or make the hard decisions.

But that's like saying all Christians are fundamentalists. There is some pretty violent and hair raising stuff esp. in the Old Testament and if you took it literally you would be smiting people all over the place. But just as most Christians are pragmatic enough to ignore the sillier and contradictory stuff in their religious book, so I believe are most Muslims. I don't deny there's a violent and evil hard core.

[lilelvis2000]

I could argue the same of Islam, the moderates are liars.
It clearly states in the Koran that a Muslim may not marry a non Muslim, in fact they may not take non Muslims as friends.
Any Muslim who says otherwise is not a Muslim.
Islam = BNP in so many ways yet the majority of folk are not willing to ask the hard questions or make the hard decisions.

I thought a Muslim man could marry a Christian or Jewish woman. Only a muslim woman must marry a muslim man. The BNP is even narrower because only a christian white man and a christian white woman can marry.

The difference between Islam and BNP is that Muslims happily live with non-muslims throughout history. In fact, Muslims must protect non-muslims. In most areas of England it is not the Muslims which force people out, but the ignorance of the people themselves. I hardly imagine a party which is very open about expelling muslims is equal.