It Looks Like an Organised Terrorist Campaign Has Started

[Old Greg]

Once it was a case of “No Irish, No Blacks, and No Dogs”. Now being Irish and Black is dead trendy. Somehow I don’t think being a Muslim will ever have the same credibility.

9/11 opened up Muslims as a target to racists/fascists. The NF/BNP always used to aim at Jews, Blacks, Asians, Irish, Gypsies. The focus changed to Muslims because that was what would appeal most to their target audience in the current climate.

[The Lone Gunman]

9/11 opened up Muslims as a target to racists/fascists. The NF/BNP always used to aim at Jews, Blacks, Asians, Irish, Gypsies. The focus changed to Muslims because that was what would appeal most to their target audience in the current climate.

Why bring the BNP into this debate? and what have you got against political freedom? You always seem to be saying the BNP should not be allowed to exist or spread their beliefs?

[DodgyAgent]

In my opinion 7/7 was one that worked. But still a bunch of nutters who wanted to get involved in what they hear about on the news. I doubt they are part of any kind of organised network plotting our demise.

9/11 has been the trigger and the inspiration for these pale imitations we have seen since. There are a lot of people who think there is a lot still unexplained about that event, I'm not as hardcore a conspiracy theorist as those people, I just believe it was a response to the US foreign policy in the middle east. A one-off, like Lockerbie.

I think you give our police and security services more credit than they are due. In my opinion the desire to main and harm is not as great as it is being played out to be. I think things are a lot simpler than they are painted.

People have their own agendas for various reasons. You see this on a microlevel in any company you have worked. Maybe a contractor on a client site who is paid by the hour is happiest when the project is poorly managed. 'More extensions for me' they say. Maybe a minister who is friends with a person with a large stake in a company that will benefit greatly from the sudden need to manufacture thousands of ID cards talks up the case for ID cards when the opportunity arises.

Im not claiming there is a huge conspiracy meticulously planning what goes out on the news. There isn't enough competence in the government to handle such a thing. I don't give them that much credit. I do think however that people talk up and exagerate things when it suits them. Not as part of some planned conspiracy but for their own personal reasons. That Vaz character on the news during the 'big brother racism' nonsense comes to mind.

In my opinion there is no 'they'. There is no central command structure telling the footsoldiers what to do in some kind of organised 'terror network'. There are occasional acts (9/11 style) based on short sighted foreign policy that inspire socially disenfranchised and mentally ill wannabes to join 'the cause'.

What a lot of you do not seem to appreciate is that the threat from the West is not what you think it is. It is the freedoms and wealth that the west enjoy that includes above all the freedom of women that these Muslim fanatics are so threatened by. No matter what we do to appease them or whatever excuses we give them for 9/11 and 7/7 the clash of cultures will continue to exist until we shroud all of our women in head to toe veils.

Religion was created to subjugate women, why else is the reward for suicide 72 virgins in heaven? why are catholic priests celibate?

Men are simple creatures we are driven by one thing and one thing only.

[rhubarb]

What makes me laugh is the assumption that all Muslims are now likely to self detonate....

I don't remember all Catholics getting the same rep when the IRA was active in London....

The IRA didn't tend to blow themselves up though.
Apart from the two idiots that managed to kill themselves and demolish a Barclays by mistake in St Albans about 20 years ago.

[Old Greg]

Why bring the BNP into this debate? and what have you got against political freedom? You always seem to be saying the BNP should not be allowed to exist or spread their beliefs?

a) I was adding to the debate about why blacks and Irish are not currently as much the subject of racist ire - the BNP are part of that, and it is not possible to accurately describe the recent history of racism without referencing the recent history of fascism.
b) I am not always saying that the BNP should not be allowed to exist or spread their beliefs. Why would you make out that I am?

[Ardesco]

Nice write up from El Reg

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06...scuits_please/

Sums it up nicely IMHO

[Rantor]

9/11 opened up Muslims as a target to racists/fascists. .

Maybe, but the response from muslims can be very contradictory

Unless that sort of stuff gets resolved then it will be difficult to slow the growth in support and/or activism for violent action.

[Old Greg]

Maybe, but the response from muslims can be very contradictory

Unless that sort of stuff gets resolved then it will be difficult to slow the growth in support and/or activism for violent action.

I'm not saying that there isn't a problem, just that those with a certain (racist) outlook anyway will want to exploit it.

[Zorba]

The IRA didn't tend to blow themselves up though.
Apart from the two idiots that managed to kill themselves and demolish a Barclays by mistake in St Albans about 20 years ago.

Good point - at least they would call in coded warnings to the police.

[Old Greg]

Good point - at least they would call in coded warnings to the police.

Hmmm - they were often deliberately confusing, or so they say...