Doctors read my mind

[angusglover]

But I don't understand where the millions of illegal immigrants comes from - that's why I reckon that most immigrants pay taxes.

As for East Europeans - they work, pay taxes, they're entitled to services. So does benefit fraud exist? I'd be surprised if it doesn't - it does in sections of the non-immigrant community, why wouldn't it in the immigrant community?

So are you saying that we do not have millions of illegal immigrants?

I disagree with most immigrants pay taxes. There are hundreds of thousands that do not work and are just here for a free meal ticket. These are the ones that consume our resources but give nothing back.

[DimPrawn]

Who cares about tax, health and immigrants.

As long as our houses are worth millions, nothing else matters.

[Ardesco]

The number of people applying for asylum has been pretty static at approx 6-7000 every quarter for the past couple of years. You can probably assume that most illegal immigrants will attempt to get into the country legally to begin with and then dissapear once they are refused entry.

Now I don't know how many illegal immigrants are in this country (And i suspect nobody does, we can only throw about random figures in the hope we get it right) but even if you multiply the number who apply for asylum by 10 (which is probably way over the top) thats only 70,000 every 3 months or just over a quarter of a million a year (280,000 to be exact).

The above also assumes that nobody gets thrown out of the country (I should think a substantional percentage do get removed, maybe not as many as you would like, but hey sh*t happens)
Now where do you get millions from?

On the flip side of the coin I think we are getting in the region of 180,000 legal immigrants a year who do pay thier taxes. As i said before the vast majority of immigrants pay thier taxes.

[angusglover]

The number of people applying for asylum has been pretty static at approx 6-7000 every quarter for the past couple of years. You can probably assume that most illegal immigrants will attempt to get into the country legally to begin with and then dissapear once they are refused entry.

Now I don't know how many illegal immigrants are in this country (And i suspect nobody does, we can only throw about random figures in the hope we get it right) but even if you multiply the number who apply for asylum by 10 (which is probably way over the top) thats only 70,000 every 3 months or just over a quarter of a million a year (280,000 to be exact).

The above also assumes that nobody gets thrown out of the country (I should think a substantional percentage do get removed, maybe not as many as you would like, but hey sh*t happens)
Now where do you get millions from?

On the flip side of the coin I think we are getting in the region of 180,000 legal immigrants a year who do pay thier taxes. As i said before the vast majority of immigrants pay thier taxes.

So, using your figues of 280,000 per year. Over a 5 year period, that is millions. Over 5 years, the number that actually get repatriated is very small, hence the issues being experienced at the home office.

If you read my post, I said "illegal". This means not the ones that go through immigration anc come in legally. Of the ones that come in legally, how many actually pay taxes? How many actually then go on to receive benefits because they cannot get a job? Couple that with the outflux of British tax payers means the purse actually gets smaller.

Overall I think you are living in a blinkered world with a very rosy view.

[gingerjedi]

Back on subject

I do find it hard to explain to my NHS dentist that Wednesday 2:30 is probably not the best time for me as it would mean losing half a day's money, the best bet is to try and schedule other things on the same day like a hair cut or something.

[Ardesco]

As stated above the 280,000 a year is a complete guess that is likely to be far in excess of the real figure. Do you really think that 10 times the number of people that apply for asylum are running into this country undetected every year?

Bear in mind that people coming here to claim free money and use the NHS will first of all apply for asylum so that they get a house and benefits, if you are illegal you don't get these things. For the purposes of getting benefits and free housing use the 7000 a quarter (before rejections and repatriations) figure.

Worst case scenario we are paying for 28,000 immigrants to get housing and benefits a year, hardly millions is it. But I guess that doesn't fit into your nice blinkered view that anybody can run into this country and get themselves a house and benefits whilst evading the authorities who give them said house and benefits.

I know the Home Office is imcompetant, but not THAT incompetant.....

[angusglover]

As stated above the 280,000 a year is a complete guess that is likely to be far in excess of the real figure. Do you really think that 10 times the number of people that apply for asylum are running into this country undetected every year?

Bear in mind that people coming here to claim free money and use the NHS will first of all apply for asylum so that they get a house and benefits, if you are illegal you don't get these things. For the purposes of getting benefits and free housing use the 7000 a quarter (before rejections and repatriations) figure.

Worst case scenario we are paying for 28,000 immigrants to get housing and benefits a year, hardly millions is it. But I guess that doesn't fit into your nice blinkered view that anybody can run into this country and get themselves a house and benefits whilst evading the authorities who give them said house and benefits.

I know the Home Office is imcompetant, but not THAT incompetant.....

The 280000 is the figure that is quoted by various immigration bodies.

Not sure where you get your figures from but do you work for the Home Office?

[Ardesco]

It is!! you mean that my rough guess of take the number of people who have applied for asylum and multiply it by 10 is how everybody else gets thier figure for illegal immigrants too.....

Says it all really

[angusglover]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle382035.ece

Even the Home Office admit that the number is AT LEAST 500000 but also admit that it could be MUCH higher. And this was 2005, so you can imagine how bad it is now. Or are you saying that we shipped them all out already?

Says it all really

[angusglover]

It is!! you mean that my rough guess of take the number of people who have applied for asylum and multiply it by 10 is how everybody else gets thier figure for illegal immigrants too.....

Says it all really

HAHA, that shows that even you can use Google....