NL discriminating against graduates?!?

[snaw]

I have a solution. It's called stop voting Labour.

Once everyone does that, things will sort themselves out nicely.

About the kind of intelligent, reasoned response I'd expect from you DP.

[DodgyAgent]

A socialist is someone who has nothing and wants to share it with everyone else

[snaw]

And a capitalist is someone who has everything and doesn't want anyone else to have any of it.

Bit simplistic isn't it?

[DimPrawn]

About the kind of intelligent, reasoned response I'd expect from you DP.

Debating with a Socialist is about as worthwhile as shouting at dumb animals, but not as fulfilling.

HTH

[snaw]

Debating with a Socialist is about as worthwhile as shouting at dumb animals.

HTH

Yeah, what's the poit of reasoned debate when you already know you're always right ...

[DimPrawn]

I am always right. Ask my missus.

[DodgyAgent]

I spent a fair chunk of my school life under Maggie T, who was by no means a socialist, and I don't recall schools being all that great DA. It's one of the few areas where I agree with you on solutions, but blaming the whole thing on a socialist outlook completely misses the point, especially if you consider that quite a few of the countries widels held to have the best school systems happen to be socialist. Get the blinkers off.

As for borstals, you're fecking joking arent you? They're crime finishing schools, I don't know anyone who went to one of those who didn't come out a more hardened criminal and sending kids to boarding schools cause their families are dysfunctional, that's just a recipe for disaster (Not too mention is this only for poor kids or better off ones too?)

The state schools were and still are run by socialists even under Maggie, and Keith Joseph was charged with looking at ways in which to introduce a voucher scheme,that never happened. Socialism relies entirely on goodwill, and yes a lot of socialist countries educate their children well. This is because those who are doing the educating are answerable to the people who they serve (in otherwords some of the dynamics of capitalism apply), which they are not in this country. This proves my point. The debate should be how we can blend the dynamics of conscience and goodwill with the checks and balances of accountability and responsibility to deliver a decent education to all.

I know that boarding school is an anathema to you snaw but there is Christs Hospital school in Sussex which provides free public school education for boys and girls from poor backgrounds (though not necessarily from dysfunctional families). It apparently works very well and in my view there should be many more schools like it.

Borstals may set politically correctness alarms going but what else do you suggest that we do with children who are criminals? Why not send them away and give them a proper education with sport music etc. I am not saying that borstals should be reintroduced as they were but more as education institutions than punishment centres.

[DodgyAgent]

And a capitalist is someone who has everything and doesn't want anyone else to have any of it.

Bit simplistic isn't it?

so which is preferable?

[Denny]

Hmm, you started well there Denny but the last sentence rather gives away the "middle class inferiority complex", and I am sure that the plummy speaking bit counts as a cliche, so you have rather contradicted yourself.

I was being ironic (tongue in cheek) for a bit of a wind up. True I despise posh twats who've never done a day's work in their lives, but only if they come across as arrogant and feel they own the world and look down on anyone who isn't from their own inbred social set, but I despise anyone who is not a decent person, irrespective of background.

Frankly, I couldn't care less what background someone has provided they are intelligent, sensitive and ethical, love animals and don't work in recruitment.

[DodgyAgent]

I was being ironic (tongue in cheek) for a bit of a wind up. True I despise posh twats who've never done a day's work in their lives, but only if they come across as arrogant and feel they own the world and look down on anyone who isn't from their own inbred social set, but I despise anyone who is not a decent person, irrespective of background.

Frankly, I couldn't care less what background someone has provided they are intelligent, sensitive and ethical, love animals and don't work in recruitment.

you are an arrogant bigot that would not know how to spell the word "decent" let alone understand what it meant.