Sensible attitude to drug?

[gingerjedi]

Then why does my family member who works for the NHS say that the primary care trust have no money. Doctors request treatments and the primary care trust refuse to pay for the expensive drugs an operations that people need and have a right to. They have actually told doctors not to prescribe things that could save lives, due to the cost!

Trust me thats just the start of the problem, the primary care trust just about manage to pay the staff every month, let alone provide drugs and treatments that need to be issued.

Well who's fault is that? We're spending (i am told) more on the NHS than ever, the moneys there... somewhere ...oh I know the NHS spine project £10b down the drain, oh and is there a war going on?

Tax on fags and booze more than covers the cost of the resultant illness, so sleep easy puritans.

[AlfredJPruffock]

And all I see - are little dots ...

Drugs - will not change you
Science - will not change you
Religion - will not change you
Politics - will not change you

Everything seems to be up in the air at this point ...

This is a crime - against the state
This is the meaning of life

I need something to change your mind

[freakydancer]

And all I see - are little dots ...

Drugs - will not change you
Science - will not change you
Religion - will not change you
Politics - will not change you

Everything seems to be up in the air at this point ...

This is a crime - against the state
This is the meaning of life

I need something to change your mind

righto!!

[NetwkSupport]

Simply because we already have problems with alcohol is hardy an argument for creating more problems.

the problems are already there its just that the drugs arent legal THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ARGUMENT. keeping them illegal isnt going to solve the issue.

[SallyAnne]

SA. I am not anti-drug or alcohol but what you say seems quite foreign to me. When I took cocaine in the past I certainly did act like a tw*t and if you are ever around coked-up ejjits than you will see that it is a hugely ego-driven drug (god they are boring!)

For me however, my main point of divergence is with the drink - I would use coke to enable me to drink industrial quantities of booze without falling over or getting nicked.

I actually knocked the booze n' drugs on the head completely some eight years ago for some very sound reasons (it was killing me.) Since then, I have had occassion to bump into some of my old chums who continued to indulge in the powders and for the most part they are very flaky neurotic people who ain't getting much recreation out of their pharmaceuticals.

And as for rock cocaine......

Although I applaud your extreme loonism you've just admitted you took drugs to help you drink more.
i.e. it was the drink that was the bad one, not the drugs.

Blaming drugs for that is like blaming food for allowing you to drink more.

[gingerjedi]

I was out in Edinburgh on a stag do once, this guy who usually smokes a lot of pot kept telling me over and over how much coke he had taken, so I turned around and told him to shut up as it was getting boring, with that he burst into tears blubbing on about how crap his life was and drugs were his only escape, he failed to see the point that maybe the drugs were the problem.

Edinburgh was great mind!

[SallyAnne]

I was out in Edinburgh on a stag do once, this guy who usually smokes a lot of pot kept telling me over and over how much coke he had taken, so I turned around and told him to shut up as it was getting boring, with that he burst into tears blubbing on about how crap his life was and drugs were his only escape, he failed to see the point that maybe the drugs were the problem.

Edinburgh was great mind!

Tell a man full of drink that and he'd hit you.
Tell a woman full of drink that, and she'd burst out crying and cry all night.

Edit: yeah Edinburgh is great

[Rantor]

Although I applaud your extreme loonism you've just admitted you took drugs to help you drink more.
i.e. it was the drink that was the bad one, not the drugs.

Blaming drugs for that is like blaming food for allowing you to drink more.

Absolutely, the booze was the prime offender but I was contrasting my (and others I gravitated towards) past usage with the cozier image you protrayed. Loads of perople indulge in all sorts recreationally but many do it to get caned and then some.

Like others here have said, lots of oeople do big booze n' drugs for years, slow down and stop with no real after-effects. There are however, lots of people who pay a far higher price over the longer term. The legality of drugs will not make any real difference one way or the other to those who find themselves in that categroy.

[SallyAnne]

Absolutely, the booze was the prime offender but I was contrasting my (and others I gravitated towards) past usage with the cozier image you protrayed. Loads of perople indulge in all sorts recreationally but many do it to get caned and then some.

Like others here have said, lots of oeople do big booze n' drugs for years, slow down and stop with no real after-effects. There are however, lots of people who pay a far higher price over the longer term. The legality of drugs will not make any real difference one way or the other to those who find themselves in that categroy.

I hope you dont blame drugs for your spelling!!

I absolutely agree with you - people in that category wont benefit from the legality of drugs (apart from the fact that they'll be getting better drugs (not rat poison) and they'll be cheaper, and wont risk death/robbery from dangerous dealers etc).

But, you're right - it wont make them stop! Of course not. It doesn't make them stop drinking, so why would it with drugs.

My point is (was) coke and drink are very similar, and should be treated as such in by the law. And to go further I think coke is safer, and better. Obviously this is a general sweeping statement, but the most extreme real world argument against that so far has been yours...which to be fair, named drink as the bad boy too!

[Bagpuss]

I actually knocked the booze n' drugs on the head completely some eight years ago for some very sound reasons (it was killing me.) Since then, I have had occassion to bump into some of my old chums who continued to indulge in the powders and for the most part they are very flaky neurotic people who ain't getting much recreation out of their pharmaceuticals.

Apparently you are wrong, there is no problem!


Sally et al, I don't have a 50s attitude to drugs, I have taken drugs, I have also seen people's lifes messed up (at least a douzen people I know) through thinking there are no side effects, pretty much like you do. It's called denial. They don't think they have a problem until things get out of control. At least one is now dead.