9/11 Conspiracy

[The Lone Gunman]

Reformation - I saw that too - and Rummy himself made reference to 'pulling' the building which he later explained away.

BM - it is possible that the cascading floors could have been contained by the tubular structure of the building and led to the perfect vertical drop, but unlikely, as each floor would have to give way evenly. That and the outer and inner cores seemed to disintegrate with the rest of the building.

Ah it's all speculation - even if it was a conspiracy, even if there was conclusive proof that these were controlled demolitions - it probably wouldn't change anything anyway. And no-one would believe it because they don't really want to.

As I said earlier, the external supports are the strength. The internal service shaft was not designed to be supporting, but each floor was attached to it.
When the outer supports are removed by a jet knocking them side ways (a direction they have little strength) then the central column is left supporting more than it is designed to.
When more of the external structures give way the central column is no longer man enough and buckles and each floor drops onto the one below.
The central column provides ties to start the direction of fall towards the middle of the building at basement level. Momentum keeps them goning that way.

The entirety of both buildings did not land in their own footprint. They did fall sideways. The conspiracy theories just say they did.

[SallyAnne]

Where's Ardesco?!!!!

[bogeyman]

Or windows blowing out with dust as the air pressure within each floor increased as the one above fell on it as explained in the programme the other night.

Yes there is an effect where dust and debris gets blown out sideways from a collapsing tall building, but it happens immediately under the 'collapse zone' not 10+ floors down from it.

In the WTC collapse, the ejected matter is also very white in colour and very localised, not typical of general dust and debris being squeezed out. It looks exactly like the gasses caused by explosives detonating according to 'experts'.

The smoke emitted during the combustion of the building is also odd. There are plumes of dense white smoke that 'experts' claim are the products of Thermite combustion. There were small pools of molten steel at the site for several days after the collapse - the only explanation for this is that the Thermite reaction was still ongoing.

Ok. There are miles of footage of controlled demolitions, and almost none of incidental skyscraper collapses - so who can say?

All I'm saying is that the story we have been told doesn't quite seem to add up.

[bogeyman]

They did fall sideways. The conspiracy theories just say they did.

They fell sideways?

I saw the fecking things fall and they DID NOT FALL SIDEWAYS!

What are you doing TLG? Rewriting history?

[oraclesmith]

It took the best part of 100 years to figure out how the Titanic sunk so quickly.

[zathras]

Slow motion footage reveals puffs of white smoke (exactly what you see in a controlled demolition) eminating from well below the collapsing floors.

I saw that when a BBC 2 Programme tried to debunk the conspiracy theories at the start of the week. What got me is why did n't the air come out any of the other floors closer to the scene anyway

[sasguru]

I'm disappointed with you Bogey. Here's why it wasn't internal:

1. There are better ways of feigning an attack (as an excuse for war) than blowing up 2 of your prime commercial buildings + the elite of your business community.
2. Look at George Bush's speeches prior to 9/11. There's not a single foreign-policy focussed one. He was a purely internal facing president till then.
3. We have never before seen tall buildings collapse in that way. How do we know how they are going to collapse? As someone has mentioned, the construction was such that the support was through the external walls. The building was not designed for lateral pressure other than strong wind.
4. The conspiracy theorists have tons of detail, plenty of which can be explained in a myriad of ways.

[The Lone Gunman]

They fell sideways?

I saw the fecking things fall and they DID NOT FALL SIDEWAYS!

What are you doing TLG? Rewriting history?

They at least fell sideways enough to hit WTC7.

[Jawz]

I'm disappointed with you Bogey. Here's why it wasn't internal:

1. There are better ways of feigning an attack (as an excuse for war) than blowing up 2 of your prime commercial buildings + the elite of your business community.
2. Look at George Bush's speeches prior to 9/11. There's not a single foreign-policy focussed one. He was a purely internal facing president till then.
3. We have never before seen tall buildings collapse in that way. How do we know how they are going to collapse? As someone has mentioned, the construction was such that the support was through the external walls. The building was not designed for lateral pressure other than strong wind.
4. The conspiracy theorists have tons of detail, plenty of which can be explained in a myriad of ways.

Exactly. They try and suggest United 93 was shot down, stating that debris from the plane was strewn over 8 miles which is what would happen if a plane was shot down. And the distance from where the 1st piece of wreckage was found and the last was 8 miles...... if you went by road! And this is how the knobs figured out the 8 miles, they put the two points into an iternet route planner. As the crow flies (i.e flightpath) it was less than a mile

[Jawz]

They at least fell sideways enough to hit WTC7.

No they didn't. That caught fire when debris hit it when one of the planes hit, nothing to do with the towers collapsing.