The (Indian) FTV's are growing

[DimPrawn]

You've really swallowed this "job creation" line haven't you?

God knows how many job are now in India that would have been in the UK. Probably millions.

And those Indian consultancies with 5000 jobs in the UK are only there to allow 10x as many jobs to flow the other way.

Wake up Monkey boy. There are a lot of people that will get very rich from the offshoring / visa process, but to say that we or joe average is one of them is deluded at best.

[andy]

You've really swallowed this "job creation" line haven't you?

God knows how many job are now in India that would have been in the UK. Probably millions.

And those Indian consultancies with 5000 jobs in the UK are only there to allow 10x as many jobs to flow the other way.

Wake up Monkey boy. There are a lot of people that will get very rich from the offshoring / visa process, but to say that we or joe average is one of them is deluded at best.

The only people I can see getting rich from this is the Tata and Infosys who get cheap indian programmers and pay them 25% of what they charge from the end clients.

[threaded]

The only people I can see getting rich from this is the Tata and Infosys who get cheap indian programmers and pay them 25% of what they charge from the end clients.

25%? You think they get that much?

[XLMonkey]

You've really swallowed this "job creation" line haven't you?

God knows how many job are now in India that would have been in the UK. Probably millions.

And those Indian consultancies with 5000 jobs in the UK are only there to allow 10x as many jobs to flow the other way.

Wake up Monkey boy. There are a lot of people that will get very rich from the offshoring / visa process, but to say that we or joe average is one of them is deluded at best.

err, 'scuse me for having an opinion. I would be bovvered, but can't be.

[Joe Black]

Because not everyone has to drop their incomes

So as long as some people still do well, then the other poor sods who follow NL's line and walk out of uni with £15k debt, only to find they can't compete with people who don't have to pay any tax/costs in the UK is ok then?

Nothing wrong with the idea of opening up to competition from other countries, immigration etc, but I've been long of the opinion that UK gov't hasn't quite caught on to the idea that there should be some sort of level playing field. Not just with places like India, but even with the EU.

[XLMonkey]

So as long as some people still do well, then the other poor sods who follow NL's line and walk out of uni with £15k debt, only to find they can't compete with people who don't have to pay any tax/costs in the UK is ok then?

Nothing wrong with the idea of opening up to competition from other countries, immigration etc, but I've been long of the opinion that UK gov't hasn't quite caught on to the idea that there should be some sort of level playing field. Not just with places like India, but even with the EU.

On the uni point - the stats (reference before) show that they're not doing that badly overall. But, I do agree about level playing field on taxation - there's a big problem with the way that the income tax and national insurance rates in this country place us (and particularly lower to middle income earners) at a disadvantage compared to other countries.

[Joe Black]

Wasn't really refering to taxation per se, more the case that many other countries wouldn't dream/don't allow, or in the case of the EU do their damndest to get round one agreement or another, so that too often the gov't seems to allow a free for all in the UK while any half-decent UK company finds it running into obstacle after obstacle if they try to return the 'favour'.

Bit like my, and now another poor sod's at work, experience here I guess.