'5 ways to save the world' BBC2 (last night)

[DimPrawn]

Shoot the maveric!

[hyperD]

No, plant him, seal his arsehole and offset his carbon emissions.

[wxman]

I have been following this thread with interest, now I feel I must comment!

As some of you have pointed out there is evidence that temperatures in the Northern hemisphere are indeed running higher than the claimed 30 year average (often taken to be 1961 – 1990) but needs to be seriously revised (the average is now 17 year out of date!)

However what the Global Warming advocates fail to point out time and time again is what is happing in the southern hemisphere – where in fact it is running COLDER than the average. – have a peek at this chart here and you will see what I mean.

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadsst2/

Sure, North West Europe is toasting at the moment – but what you need to understand is the Ocean currents (the major heat transport mechanism) will eventually transport the cold water up welling into the northern hemisphere. This I will predict will be 7 – 10 years time, at this time I am forecast a return to more traditional colder winters over the UK.

In the near term, this latent heat in the Northern hemisphere is advancing and extending summers. Look at the how warm already the waters are already in the Gulf of Mexico (for February) – this will have the affect of throwing out normal weather patterns in Both the USA and the UK (due to the gulf stream)
http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/avhrr/gm/ave...0046_multi.png


In the VERY near term I am forecasting A VERY SIGNIFICANT WEATHER EVENT over Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas this weekend – read destructive Supercells and Tornadoes (in case any one is planning a trip over there..) This is quite unusual for February!

Also if you can find a book maker who will take a bet that 100f (I think that that is 38.6c) will be reached this summer – take the darn bet! And don’t bet on a white Christmas for three years!

[wonderwaif]

Sorry WXMAN, but this is the only reliable document on Global Warming:
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
And the only scientists who know anything are the ones who worked on it.

I'm sure Sasguru will explain, if he ever gets round to reading it.

HTH

[zathras]

If it is so accurate...

how come none of the climate change models predicted current temperatures when fed historical data.

Further the only models to be accurate use solar activity, not so called greenhouse gases, of which the most potent is plain old water; which either reflect heat out of the atmosphere or keep it in by reflecting heat back to earth (which depends on type of cloud and altitude).

[wonderwaif]

how come none of the climate change models predicted current temperatures when fed historical data.

Further the only models to be accurate use solar activity, not so called greenhouse gases, of which the most potent is plain old water; which either reflect heat out of the atmosphere or keep it in by reflecting heat back to earth (which depends on type of cloud and altitude).

I'm not sure it that is for waxman or me, but I'm sure Sassie will explain all.
I'm one of the morons.

[zathras]

I'm not sure it that is for waxman or me,

You, the link was to an IPCC report. Most of these reports pushing global warming use the amount of so called greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Models based on this have not successfully been able to predict current temperatures.

It is the results of the models that are driving the current Global Warming campaign and the results are in error then why are we looking to invest money trying to reduce them - it will have little or no effect.

Climate on this planet is a combination of many things and in addition to greenhouse gases include the earths axis, it's relative position to the Sun, the activity of the sun. Particulate matter in the atmosphere from volcanic activity. Rather than waste time, effort and money trying to reduce it, we may perhaps be better of dealing with it's effects.

The silly thing is that we need to reduce our reliance on carbon fuel sources (such as coal, oil and gas) for the simple reason that they are going to run out. We don't need to be scared into thinking our grandchildren are going to have to grow gills, and be charbroiled in their adult life.

The current taxation policy, most typically represented by the Airline tax (which is currently illegal but that is another story) is talking about disincentiving activities; but nothing about incentivising behaviour. Very little if anything about encouraging micro-generation; where small sites such as farms, individiual homes or housing estates generate their own energy using small windmills, or if coastal, wave power. Or even solar, which even in the UK could be used in conjunction with the National Grid to reduce bills and drain on the grid itself.

Government policy seems to be a one trick pony; tax it and build ever bigger Nuclear Power Plants (very clever, so our Grandchildren have to pay to get rid of it, rather than deal with global warming - very clever, not!)

[Paddy]

You, the link was to an IPCC report. Most of these reports pushing global warming use the amount of so called greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Models based on this have not successfully been able to predict current temperatures.

It is the results of the models that are driving the current Global Warming campaign and the results are in error then why are we looking to invest money trying to reduce them - it will have little or no effect.

Climate on this planet is a combination of many things and in addition to greenhouse gases include the earths axis, it's relative position to the Sun, the activity of the sun. Particulate matter in the atmosphere from volcanic activity. Rather than waste time, effort and money trying to reduce it, we may perhaps be better of dealing with it's effects.

The silly thing is that we need to reduce our reliance on carbon fuel sources (such as coal, oil and gas) for the simple reason that they are going to run out. We don't need to be scared into thinking our grandchildren are going to have to grow gills, and be charbroiled in their adult life.

The current taxation policy, most typically represented by the Airline tax (which is currently illegal but that is another story) is talking about disincentiving activities; but nothing about incentivising behaviour. Very little if anything about encouraging micro-generation; where small sites such as farms, individiual homes or housing estates generate their own energy using small windmills, or if coastal, wave power. Or even solar, which even in the UK could be used in conjunction with the National Grid to reduce bills and drain on the grid itself.

Government policy seems to be a one trick pony; tax it and build ever bigger Nuclear Power Plants (very clever, so our Grandchildren have to pay to get rid of it, rather than deal with global warming - very clever, not!)

Well said that man.

[wonderwaif]

Ok.
If you've read the whole thread you would have seen that Sassie was waving this report around, saying it was the one true word that proved GW was directly linked to mans activities, and anybody who disagreed was a moron.

I think he's gone away to actually read it, and I'm sure he will be back sometime next week to explain it all to us lesser intellects.

edit:
I didn't think my earlier reply to waxman needed any sarcastic emoticons, I was obviously wrong.