The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech jab

[AtW]

Covid vaccine: Four Pfizer trial participants developed facial paralysis, FDA says - Mirror Online

Anybody else still keen on getting guinea pigged?

"A document by the FDA said: “Among non-serious unsolicited adverse events, there was a numerical imbalance of four cases of Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group compared with no cases in the placebo group, though the four cases in the vaccine group do not represent a frequency above that expected in the general population.”"

[fullyautomatix]

I got as far as this:

"The Bell’s palsy is believed to be unrelated to the vaccine, with cases in the trial occurring at the same rate as in the general population."

Next!

Of course the establishment would like to brain wash the public that this was all unrelated. Nerve agent dosage slightly higher and causing paralysis, is of course dressed as normal, nothing to worry about.

[AtW]

Of course the establishment would like to brain wash the public that this was all unrelated. Nerve agent dosage slightly higher and causing paralysis, is of course dressed as normal, nothing to worry about.

Exactly.

So better start saying nice things about Pfizer like I do or you might become part of the normal paralisis group...

[SueEllen]

"A document by the FDA said: “Among non-serious unsolicited adverse events, there was a numerical imbalance of four cases of Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group compared with no cases in the placebo group, though the four cases in the vaccine group do not represent a frequency above that expected in the general population.”"

If you are over 60 you are extremely unlikely to get Bell's Palsy. So as I pointed out before the cheaper vaccine is the one us non-OAPs will get.

[AtW]

If you are over 60 you are extremely unlikely to get Bell's Palsy. So as I pointed out before the cheaper vaccine is the one us non-OAPs will get.

Will be offered for free, yes, but paid option will be proper mRNA stuff with 95% efficiency at at price that I doubt will be more than £200 for 2 shots.

[jayn200]

"A document by the FDA said: “Among non-serious unsolicited adverse events, there was a numerical imbalance of four cases of Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group compared with no cases in the placebo group, though the four cases in the vaccine group do not represent a frequency above that expected in the general population.”"

I don't know if I believe that. The 4 participants got bells palsy 3, 9, 37, 48 days after the jab.

Let's look at the expected number of bells palsy for the 2 month period following their jab. So 4 per 38,000 per 2 months translates to an incidence rate of 63/100,000 per year. Normal incidence rate in general population is 20/100,000 per year. That's over 3 times the rate and more importantly there was 0/100,000 per year incidence rate in the control group.

It's a statistically significant result. It's crazy considering that we would consider a drug a wonder drug if it decreased incidence rate of a disease by 300%.

Of course it's all meaningless if it isn't replicated but this shouldn't just be brushed aside as it is statistically significant.

[SueEllen]

I don't know if I believe that. The 4 participants got bells palsy 3, 9, 37, 48 days after the jab.

Let's look at the expected number of bells palsy for the 2 month period following their jab. So 4 per 38,000 per 2 months translates to an incidence rate of 63/100,000 per year. Normal incidence rate in general population is 20/100,000 per year. That's over 3 times the rate and more importantly there was 0/100,000 per year incidence rate in the control group.

It's a statistically significant result. It's crazy considering that we would consider a drug a wonder drug if it decreased incidence rate of a disease by 300%.

Of course it's all meaningless if it isn't replicated but this shouldn't just be brushed aside as it is statistically significant.

If you give people vaccinations in winter you are going to expect they are more likely to end up with certain conditions as a coincidence- Bells Palsy is more common in the winter months.

[_V_]

If you give people vaccinations in winter you are going to expect they are more likely to end up with certain conditions as a coincidence- Bells Palsy is more common in the winter months.

What concerns me is that there were and are open questions and concerns relating to increasing incidents of autoimmune diseases and mRNA vaccines. This would require several years of study to understand and quantify the risks.

Bell's Palsy is believed to be an autoimmune disease.

[jayn200]

If you give people vaccinations in winter you are going to expect they are more likely to end up with certain conditions as a coincidence- Bells Palsy is more common in the winter months.

Yeah sorry I don't have that level of detail, you could be right that there is a seasonality to it or even a further breakdown by demographics might put it within margin of error.

It's not winter yet though. I would presume these happened in early fall right?

I am not from health/medical background but have a strong background in data/programming/statistics. Before this tulipshow this last year I had no idea how incompetent people from these industries were with data. So many mistakes with data over the last year. A level much exceeding the private industries I have worked in. I would have thought it was the other way around with a higher degree of care in the sciences but point is I don't trust it. Now of course this doesn't seem like it's a show stopper anyway but I don't like it being brushed aside so quickly by the media with no scrutiny.

[darmstadt]

It's not winter yet though. I would presume these happened in early fall right?

Are you an American perchance?