Speaking the truth here, IR35, contract to perm. What everyone is thinking...

[jamesbrown]

I would disagree with most of what you say.

Congratulations for understanding what he said.

[edison]

If you're a contractor going perm, the hardest thing that you'll face is your status.

Why would they take what they see as a risk on a contractor going perm until the transition to the long-term new normal is complete then watch you jump ship because the contract market has picked up again over an equally-qualified perm whose only reason for availability was because of their employers going bust during the current crisis? I'll save you answering - they wouldn't. The hardest part of my interview for my first perm job in ten years was convincing them that I wanted to stay perm. Easy for me, I genuinely do at this stage of my life but longer term who knows?

It's not just the perceived risk that you might jump ship when the market improves but also that you won't fit in. Depending on the role and your experience, you may have worked in multiple sectors and changed roles every year or so. There's a worry you would be a bit bored. This was a concern with some of the recent perm hires where I work when taking on some developers, particular those with more modern technology stack experience.

I'm looking to go perm after seven years contracting and the only valid (and truthful) answer I have is that for the role I want to get to (CIO) I need to be able to stay somewhere 2-3 years to develop and grow which isn't possible contracting. I suspect 'professional growth' will be one of the few answers that people can give for justifying going perm after a long spell contracting.

[LondonManc]

It's not just the perceived risk that you might jump ship when the market improves but also that you won't fit in. Depending on the role and your experience, you may have worked in multiple sectors and changed roles every year or so. There's a worry you would be a bit bored. This was a concern with some of the recent perm hires where I work when taking on some developers, particular those with more modern technology stack experience.

I'm looking to go perm after seven years contracting and the only valid (and truthful) answer I have is that for the role I want to get to (CIO) I need to be able to stay somewhere 2-3 years to develop and grow which isn't possible contracting. I suspect 'professional growth' will be one of the few answers that people can give for justifying going perm after a long spell contracting.

These days, yes, possibly alongside spending too much time on the road.
Although you've also got the roll out of IR35 off payroll regs making it less likely you've be able to work any distance away due to expenses no longer being applied. Plus there's Brexit uncertainty still.

[elsergiovolador]

You always laugh at the things you don't understand.
Those benefits tend to mean the company has worked out it can get a better deal than the individual can, and that it can put through those benefits to the individuals who will value them for more than they are worth.
Also, with the likes of private health, it means that if an employee becomes ill, they will receive treatment and be back at work sooner.

Do you have private health through your Ltd?
Is it because you can't afford it yourself?

I mean there are people who probably love to work for a nanny company that will organise life for them.

I can afford private healthcare myself, thanks.

[jayn200]

I mean there are people who probably love to work for a nanny company that will organise life for them.

I can afford private healthcare myself, thanks.

Private health insurance in most companies doesn't allow you to visit a private GP. It's usually supplemental insurance and covers gaps in NHS treatment.

It doesn't usually get workers back to work quicker.

[DimPrawn]

Private health insurance in most companies doesn't allow you to visit a private GP. It's usually supplemental insurance and covers gaps in NHS treatment.

It doesn't usually get workers back to work quicker.

Mine included being able to see (via video call) a private GP whenever you wanted, unfortunately they moved to a new provider this year and that cover has been removed.

[SueEllen]

Private health insurance in most companies doesn't allow you to visit a private GP. It's usually supplemental insurance and covers gaps in NHS treatment.

It doesn't usually get workers back to work quicker.

It means you can jump the waiting list for operations so you so end up being back at work quicker if your condition is causing you to take sick leave.

[AtW]

Mine included being able to see (via video call) a private GP whenever you wanted, unfortunately they moved to a new provider this year and that cover has been removed.

Maybe you should not have called her like a thousand times

[WTFH]

I can afford private healthcare myself, thanks.

I notice you failed to answer the first question: do you have private healthcare through your Ltd?

[elsergiovolador]

I notice you failed to answer the first question: do you have private healthcare through your Ltd?

I don't.