Coronavirus vs Natural Deaths

[WTFH]

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What we don't know, and again we won't know until the dust settles, is how many will die this year due to Flu (i.e. the current 8000)

There are those on here who will say that 160,000 die every year in the UK from the flu, therefore we should ignore CV-19 until it’s killed more than that.

[Lost It]

Are you totally blind to what is happening in Italy?


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No. But I do know Italians personally and that is exactly how their family unit is made up. They live in each others space. Grandparents "babysit" the babies and collect the nippers from school. They eat together, laugh together, the family unit is not wht the UK generally has. I honestly do not know about other groups of people, so I can't comment.

Black and white as far as I can see it. Before saying what is happening in Italy will be worse here you kind of need to understand their culture is far removed from ours.

Unless you still live with your parents or grandparents, you personally are not putting them at risk. If you are anything like me, you saw parents and close relatives at births, weddings and deaths. Not every day sat across from you at the dinner table.

You cannot use what is happening in Italy as a comparison to what might happen in the UK because the data set is different.

[mjcp]

There is a suggestion that the lock-down in China has cut so much pollution, that the net result (baseline lives lost vs Covid-19 deaths) is more lives saved:

Two months of pollution reduction “likely has saved the lives of 4,000 kids under 5 and 73,000 adults over 70 in China,”

Forbes linky

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[WTFH]

You cannot use what is happening in Italy as a comparison to what might happen in the UK because the data set is different.

Then what data set should be used?
We’re told by the brains on here that we can’t use the Contagion! Data set as it ended up being on a BBC documentary and is thus left wing biased science, and not Wail approved.

[escapeUK]

There is a suggestion that the lock-down in China has cut so much pollution, that the net result (baseline lives lost vs Covid-19 deaths) is more lives saved:

Interesting, It would be rather ironic if we destroy our economy for a generation and less people die this year than in an average year.

[Lost It]

There are those on here who will say that 160,000 die every year in the UK from the flu, therefore we should ignore CV-19 until it’s killed more than that.

IIRC it was 16,000 that die from Flu and related illnesses and complications such as Pneumonia, sepsis etc. Every year.

So what we kind of need to do is separate the deaths that are attributable to C19 ONLY. At the moment most deaths are because C19 has attacked people with an underlying medical condition. It's adding a further complication.

I believe this is what the OP is trying to point out. Many of these casualties might have happened anyway, maybe not as quickly so saying they are all down to C19 isn't actually true.

Compare it to Ebola if you will. Doesn't matter how fit and healthy you was, if you got it you were practically assured of death.

CoVID 19 doesn't seem to be a death sentence to fairly fit people.

But that doesn't suit the media or the idiots who believe everything they see on face bollocks or twatter.

[WTFH]

Interesting, It would be rather ironic if we destroy our economy for a generation and less people die this year than in an average year.

Don’t forget that those stuck at home will end up breeding more, so the overpopulation of the planet will grow.

People of the UK should be like the Chinese - 1 kid is good, more than one is bad.

[Lost It]

Then what data set should be used?
We’re told by the brains on here that we can’t use the Contagion! Data set as it ended up being on a BBC documentary and is thus left wing biased science, and not Wail approved.

Ah. Well. There isn't one we can use to compare until it's over in this country is there?

There's only modelling based on perhaps and maybe's.

[Lost It]

Don’t forget that those stuck at home will end up breeding more, so the overpopulation of the planet will grow.

People of the UK should be like the Chinese - 1 kid is good, more than one is bad.

There's another twist right there. If we "breed" more children than the amount that die off. Kind of depends doesn't it? If t'interweb stays up then we might not breed more.

And I seem to recall China is now having a few issues as most of the people who had children wanted Boys and there's not enough girls to go around. Or was that Japan? One or the other, maybe both.

When I was working at the Science museum there was a section in there that covered Florence Nightingale's work. She basically worked out how many children were still born by wealth of the families. Scary but quite interesting stuff..

But:

2018.
731,213 Live births (not adding the children that didn't make it)

616,014 deaths.

According to ONS.

Get breeding people!

[Paddy]

Are they in the group the NHS advises to be vaccinated?

No quite the right question. The NHS advises everyone to be vaccinated however, it's free for the over 60s and others at risk.

Tragically, a local healthy 15yo died of flue last year and a very healthy 20yo girl who though it was ok to get out of bed and drive to her boyfriend's house.