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[Addanc]

If you cannot have a decent standard of living on 50K then your expectations of what is a reasonable standard of living, is unreasonable.

tim

The communist slag MPs believe they are worth £100K year!!! A bunch or union w ankers and parasite lawyers i.e. they could not proffer a decent days work between themselve for the last ten years.

Take Brown as an example, his father was some sort of preacher, he's a career politician. So THERE HAS BEEN NO CONTRIBUTION TO THE ECONOMY from that parasite family for two generations.

Of course its only fair, since so comrades are more equal then others.

[tim123]

F **** off you socialist c **** t

ISTM the view that:

"a reasonable standard of living (which by definition is one which the majority of people should attain) is one which requires a household income in excess of 50K" is the socialist view.

"live on what you earn and don't complain" is the capitalist viewpoint. IMHO

tim

[tim123]

That is exactly what I am saying. Most people in the uk feel poor, and thats because they are. Wage inflation is not keeping up with with 'actual' inflation, taxes of various kinds keep rising, salaries do not. The amount you HAVE to spend here is growing all the time. It is a struggle to make ends meet.

I don't agree with you.

It is people's expectations that have inflated.

E.g. everyone expects to have a flat screen TV, and not having one is seen in some quarters as being deprived. What a load of tosh, no-one needs a flat screen TV FFS, nor a load of other stuff that is universally seen as necessary.

A reasonable standard of living is one in which all of your basic needs are provided for (which I accept includes leisure time activities). It is not one in which these needs are satisfied by the purchase of luxury products.

As to the stuff about wages not going up fast enough, then your aspirations are economically impossible. If everone wages were to increase 100% then the price of goods in the shops would all have to go up to pay these extra wage costs and you wouldn't be any better off.

If you want your income to increase by more than the natural economic growth (without you personally putting more effort in), someone else's has to go down. And if your are already near the top of the pile and this is still your expectation, then (as I said before) your expectation is unreasonable.

tim

[threaded]

I don't agree with you...

As to the stuff about wages not going up fast enough, then your aspirations are economically impossible. If everone wages were to increase 100% then the price of goods in the shops would all have to go up to pay these extra wage costs and you wouldn't be any better off...

I disagree, everyones wages could increase 100%. As long as the Chinese government keep using slaves to make the things we buy our wages could just keep increasing for a good while yet.

HTH

[shoes]

I don't agree with you.

It is people's expectations that have inflated.

E.g. everyone expects to have a flat screen TV, and not having one is seen in some quarters as being deprived. What a load of tosh

The original point I was making was to do with buggering off and living elsewhere due to the increasing cost of living and rising tax burden. Spend your money on what you like, if a plasma is your thing then sure knock yourself out. The point is, a better standard of living can be had abroad. As taxes rise here making that difference more marked, more people will be going. Better to be living what you seem to think of as the 'high life' in sunnier climes than sitting here in some dingy sh1te hole because 'it'll do'. Thats just my opinion, if you're content to stick it out then good luck to you.

[MobileCheese]

Personally I think rates should go up, I'm happy going full PAYE as long rates are increased to reflect that. Contract rates on the face of it seem high, but factor into that fact companies pay pensions, employer NI, training, holiday benefits, redundency etc on top of a salary make the figures pretty much even. And even if the contract rate is slightly higher, companies are paying the extra for flexibility.

At the moment the government wants alot of us to be 'employees' and get the extra PAYE, yet the employers want us to 'contractors', not an employee but a flexible resource, we just sitting hear in the middle of it. The government and companies are going to miss a trick here if they dont sort it out, in the long term I feel if we were treated faily the benefits to the economy would far out way the gains they going to make trying to nail us for everything and generally being unfair. Ok we have a lot of off shoring of IT now which is cheaper, but that cant be relied on, may be in some instances the model works but most business users of IT want UK based IT in my opionion.

Anyway I would increase my rate or defiantly move abroad, probably would work abroad now if it wasnt for commitments in UK.

[tim123]

The original point I was making was to do with buggering off and living elsewhere due to the increasing cost of living and rising tax burden. Spend your money on what you like, if a plasma is your thing then sure knock yourself out. The point is, a better standard of living can be had abroad. As taxes rise here making that difference more marked, more people will be going. Better to be living what you seem to think of as the 'high life' in sunnier climes than sitting here in some dingy sh1te hole because 'it'll do'. Thats just my opinion, if you're content to stick it out then good luck to you.

Firstly, I made no comments whatsoever that enabled you to surmise what it is that I prefer to do with my money, nor what I consider to be the 'high life'.

Secondly, stories about grass spring to mind.

But, having lived abroad you could be right. Many Europeans do live a better life-styles on smaller incomes. But IMHO that's because they aren't falling over themselves all the time to buy a bigger house. They are content to live in a small square box with a postage stamp garden which, often, they will rent.

Unsuprisingly, they have more money for other things.

So this isn't a political thing at all. It's an attitude thing.

tim

[mcquiggd]

What we need are more 'brain drain' stories in the papers as per the last time labour was in power... they overtaxed the countries wealth makers then, just as they do now....

Nobody seems to link the increasingly large amounts of emmigration to Browns policies, which is incredible frankly....

Link taxation to 'UK emmigration', and then, 'skills shortages' - in direct contrast to to labours 'the UK needs immigration' for skilled labour.

Change it to become 'labour needs immigration, due to emmigration, caused by labour's tax and related legislation policies'.

[xoggoth]

Look 'ere Z, as you have plainly invented a time machine, it would be much more impressive if you brought back some CUK links from 2026.

[SueEllen]

Who keeps digging these fecking old threads up?