What do you do?

[DimPrawn]

It's amazing how your earning potential changes when you change your title from trainee programmer to senior enterprise architect.

[wantacontract]

kkk

IT INfrastructure PM....but thinking of starting a business importing stuff from China and my uncle to sell in UK..

anybody interested in futons....!!!

[Sysman]

The Sainted Margaret contributed by junking all the Industry Training Boards back in the 80s...

Then it became train to be a brickie on the dole in what, 6 weeks?

Pah! One of my mates had a brother who did a proper brickies' apprencticeship of several years.

And on the subject of architects, their training takes a long time, but typical salaries are crap unless they hit the big time.

Oh, to keep on topic, sysadmin, disaster recovery, disaster tolerance, monitoring tools blah blah, and the enjoyable task of beating Oracle DBAs over the head every now and then.

[bogeyman]

It's amazing how your earning potential changes when you change your title from trainee programmer to senior enterprise architect.

Surely you know that job titles are handed out in lieu of remuneration.

No fecker cares what your last job title was

[DaveB]

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you

[Sysman]

Takes 7 years to become an architect...

Aye Zeity, me Dad was one. His training interrupted by Mr. Hilter, he was over 30 before he got his full qualifications.

Back in the mid 90s, I was browsing one of his archtect's magazines, and I wouldn't have got out of bed for some of the salaries being offered in the jobs section. Meanwhile, in the rest of the world, they get good dosh.

[Churchill]

Similar sorts of salaries offered for a lot of engineering jobs... basically crap.

No wonder all the kiddies are doing media studies... you still get a crap job stacking shelves in Tescos, but the course is easier.

We've implemented a forked path with regard to salaries. You don't have to be a manager to get paid a decent salary.

[Gibbon]

Is that ADA stuff and how did you wrestle the contracts from bearded unix types....or are you a bearded unix type.

Yep mostly ADA stuff. No I've no beard but have done a little unix and lots of VAX/VMS.

Wendigo, don't know of any curent coral systems, but that was my first 'language'.

On the subject of architects, I've only known one and he was a right tosser.
IMHO there's been no decent architects since the victorians.

[Xenophon]

Project management; portfolio management; programme management; change management... basically any two bullsh1t words that help me get a good rate.

[tim123]

I remember 3M came up with that idea 30 years ago... I suspect it was bulltulip then... and...

Yeah,

Nortel had this little story that you could remain an engineer and get the same salary as a manager.

And then they had a policy of all managers got cars and engineers didn't (when having a company car was really worthwhile).

tim