Joint Strike Fighter Plan B

[James Tiberius Kirk]

Shhhhhhsh if you tell him everything he will escape again

[hattra]

No mate, that's Maple Flag. Red Flag is/was in Nevada

I should say that I got told about the F29 by a Squadron Leader who'd completed an exchange with the USAF so he could be lying....

I remember (many years ago) seeing some video of a Buccaneer attacking a US bunker during a Red Flag exercise - the guy was flying so low that he had to weave round the cactus, and every time he turned, he had to climb, so his wingtips didn't touch the ground - absolutely brilliant flying.

Mind you, with all that sand, they probably had to scrap the aircraft afterwards!

[Ardesco]

Tornado F3 is a decent jet and will stand a decent chance in a dogfight, at least you had better bloody hope so, it is what is protecting our skies against enemy aircraft that want to come and get us...

We lost quite a fre of the GR varient tornados in Iraq, but bear in mind that some of them were shot down by US missile platforms when they were returning and out of the "danger zone" and also our idea of low level flying is 60 feet above the ground, whereas the yanks idea of low level flying is 1000 feet off the ground.

Tornado may not be the best plane in the world but we have the best pilots in the world, about 15 years back the navy used to send all of thier newly qualified fighter pilots over to the US to do the top gun training, and if they didn't beat all the yanks they were kicked out i am reliably told (In other words probably bulltulip, but then again, our standard pilots should be better than the yanks best!!!)

[HarryPearce]

Don't knowk the Typhoon

Invest the money in updating the Tornado. Still the best all-rounder jet in the skies. Although we should never have built it in the first place. We were that close to buying F15's for bombing and F16's for fighting before the governement decided it would be better to have a multi-role jet. Better yes, but a lot more expensive.

The mirage is rubbish so that's out. I suppose we could wait for the Yanks to sell off their new F29's. But they cost about $1billion each and so far not for sale outside the US....

The Mighty Tonka is till the best fighter bomber out for the RAF but don't knock the Typhoon.

ROE allow RAF jets on exercise to engage USAF planes if they should meet, and a recent such engagement over the Lake District saw two USAF F15s (IIRC) bounce a Typhoon. The Typhoon took out both F15s. USAF none too happy by all accounts.

Reported over on www.pprune.org. The same site tells some fairly amusing tales of the Tornado being compared against the Buccaneer.

[HarryPearce]

I remember (many years ago) seeing some video of a Buccaneer attacking a US bunker during a Red Flag exercise - the guy was flying so low that he had to weave round the cactus, and every time he turned, he had to climb, so his wingtips didn't touch the ground - absolutely brilliant flying.

Mind you, with all that sand, they probably had to scrap the aircraft afterwards!

And there is the reported flyby request by a Buccanneer, requesting a flyby and receiving the reply clear at FL80 (80') to which the Buccaneer replied 'Roger that Climbing'.

[Troll]

Reported over on www.pprune.org. The same site tells some fairly amusing tales of the Tornado being compared against the Buccaneer.

A cracking site - & actually a thread on the very same subject- with obviously military types posting

[hyperD]

... at FL80 (80') to ...

Flight level 80 is 8000 feet on a standard pressure of 1013.2 mbar. Flight levels are not normally reported for altitudes less than 3000 to 6000 depending on airspace.

hyperD in "PPL(A) IR Multi" mode.

[wendigo100]

Flight level 80 is 8000 feet on a standard pressure of 1013.2 mbar. Flight levels are not normally reported for altitudes less than 3000 to 6000 depending on airspace.

hyperD in "PPL(A) IR Multi" mode.

As a non-pilot, why is the pressure relevant? Altimeter mechanism? In which case, is that why flight levels are not reported less than 3000 - atmospheric variation makes the unreliability more dangerous?

[threaded]

To get back to the topic - what is the problem?

Shirley the UK gov could give the devices over to some consultancy like one of us and a few months later have a full set of source code.

If they gave it to me, I'd probably also point out some of the bugs I'd found, just for the giggle factor.

[HarryPearce]

Flight level 80 is 8000 feet on a standard pressure of 1013.2 mbar. Flight levels are not normally reported for altitudes less than 3000 to 6000 depending on airspace.

hyperD in "PPL(A) IR Multi" mode.

Apologies, for the mis-quote must read pprune more carefully. To be clear IIRC it was a flypast at 80 feet, climbing from 60.

In the same vein does anyone know of the field attacked by Buccaneers on exercise which required the Buccanneers to make their final approach inverted to avoid negative-G over a hill on the way into the field.

And as for the JSF thread and some mockery of USAF coding try http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255422