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[northernladyuk]

If Putin was behind this the guy would be brown bread - just him and it would have been a professional hit Litvenenko style.

..therefore it was not Putin.

Well, that's case closed. Have you phoned the OPCW yet?

[Jog On]

..therefore it was not Putin.

Well, that's case closed. Have you phoned the OPCW yet?

No - that's a common notion out there already. This case is far from closed and I suspect it will be buried before it ever gets closed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/584243...ning-nonsense/

In his first comments on the poisoning, Putin said the attack on the ex-KGB spy and his daughter in Salisbury, Wiltshire was a "tragedy".

But he added that if British claims they were poisoned by the Soviet-designed nerve agent were true, the victims would have died instantly.

"It's quite obvious that if it were a military-grade nerve agent, people would have died on the spot," he said.

You have to give the Russian's some credit - they know how to kill people properly

[northernladyuk]

No - that's a common notion out there already. This case is far from closed and I suspect it will be buried before it ever gets closed.

Still - lovely switch away from the challenge to the fake news Full Recovery claim. St Petersburg would be proud of you guys.

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Still - lovely switch away from the challenge to the fake news Full Recovery claim. St Petersburg would be proud of you guys.

Eh? What are you on about? How is stating that if it was a military grade state sponsored hit switching away from the guy recovering over a month later?

Grasping at straws - and while we're at it - how about those helicopters in Syria?

[northernladyuk]

Where is the bit about Full Recovery, or is that just Putinbot fake news?

If Putin was behind this the guy would be brown bread - just him and it would have been a professional hit Litvenenko style.

Eh? What are you on about? How is stating that if it was a military grade state sponsored hit switching away from the guy recovering over a month later?

Hopefully you can see the switch now.

[northernladyuk]

Where does it conclude who was flying the helicpters?

Grasping at straws - and while we're at it - how about those helicopters in Syria?

I'm not sure I quite understood your point.

There is sufficient information for
the Panel to conclude that the incident at impact location No. 2 was caused by a
Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter dropping a device that hit the house and was
followed by the release of a toxic substance

Are you saying that it was a Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter, but there is no conclusion as to who was flying the helicopter?

[AtW]

If Putin was behind this the guy would be brown bread - just him and it would have been a professional hit Litvenenko style.

So you admit that Putin is responsible for radioactive poisoning of Litvinenko?

[Jog On]

I'm not sure I quite understood your point.



Are you saying that it was a Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter, but there is no conclusion as to who was flying the helicopter?

Yes - because there were 9 SAA helicopters unaccounted for at the time. (same section you posted)

Here is the extract you posted:

Talmenes, Idlib governorate, 21 April 2014

54. The Leadership Panel examined the existing information regarding the two
impact locations in Talmenes on 21 April 2014. There is sufficient information for
the Panel to conclude that the incident at impact location No. 2 was caused by a
Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter dropping a device causing damage to the
structure of a concrete block building and was followed by the release of a toxic
substance that affected the population.

55. This conclusion was based on the following:
• Ahrar al-Sham and the Nusrah Front had a heavy presence around Talmenes.
Both were said to have been in control of the town. Talmenes was subject to
regular artillery and air force attacks around and on 21 April 2014. On that day
there was an ongoing battle between government forces and armed opposition
groups, as well as the Nusrah Front, around the two military bases at Wadi
Deif and Hamidiyah, both of which are in close proximity to Talmenes.
• Witnesses stated that the release of toxic chemicals followed the explosion of a
barrel bomb dropped from an aircraft.
• Both the Government and the armed opposition groups do not deny that
chlorine was used in Talmenes on 21 April 2014.
• The Government stated that the impact (location No. 2) was caused by a landbased
projectile launched by an armed opposition group. The structural
damage was not found to be consistent with this.
• Only one of the two alleged impact sites (location No. 2) has been found
plausible by the Mechanism.
• When the incident occurred, the Government had lost control of six airbases,
including Taftanaz airbase (Idlib governorate). The Government informed the
Mechanism that 15 helicopters had been left behind at Taftanaz airbase, 9 of
which had been deemed operational.
• The Leadership Panel reviewed all the information gathered and found no
evidence that armed opposition groups in Talmenes had been operating a
helicopter at the time and location of the incident.
• While the exact number of patients could not be definitively established, it is
obvious that large numbers of people were affected by toxic chemicals.
Sarmin, Idlib governorate, 16 March 2015
56. The Leadership Panel examined the existing information regarding the two
impact locations in Sarmin on 16 March 2015. There is sufficient information for
the Panel to conclude that the incident at impact location No. 2 was caused by a
Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter dropping a device that hit the house and was
followed by the release of a toxic substance, matching the characteristics of
chlorine, that was fatal to all six occupants. The remnants of the device are
consistent with the construction of a barrel bomb.

57. This conclusion was based on the following:
 Witnesses confirmed that at least one helicopter flew over Sarmin at the time
of the incident.
 Expert and forensic analyses support witness statements that a device or
“barrel bomb” dropped from a helicopter impacted through the ventilation
shaft of a house (impact location No. 2) inhabited at the time by a family of
six. The damage was consistent with the kinetic effect of a device or barrel
bomb falling from high altitude rather than the explosion or detonation of any
high explosive.
 Multiple videos of location No. 2 show HCFC gas canisters inside the house,
with a purple substance on the floor.
 The Government indicated that there had been no Syrian Arab Armed Forces
flights on 16 March 2015, but did not provide any supporting information.
However, the Mechanism obtained information from other sources that
corroborates witness statements of Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter flights
on the date and at the time of the incident.
 When the incident occurred, the Government had lost control of six airbases,
including Taftanaz airbase (Idlib governorate). The Government informed the
Mechanism that 15 helicopters had been left behind at Taftanaz airbase, 9 of
which had been deemed operational.
 The Leadership Panel reviewed all the information gathered and found no
evidence that armed opposition groups in Sarmin had been operating a
helicopter at the time and location of the incident.

So there were 9 choppers unaccounted for
Government said they had no flights scheduled that day - but did not provide any supporting information

Interesting point here:

However, the Mechanism obtained information from other sources that
corroborates witness statements of Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter flights
on the date and at the time of the incident.

Hence my 'white helmets' response.

I see this as inconclusive as to who did it seeing as there were 9 SAA choppers out of their control at the time. A good question to ask would be - who was in control of those airfields and choppers at the time?

Not saying is categorically wasn't Assad just saying that this extract is proof of SAA helicopter involvement and not who did it.

[Jog On]

So you admit that Putin is responsible for radioactive poisoning of Litvinenko?

Don't know for sure but I never said he was an angel. My position is still critical of our foreign policy and fake news (Iraq WMD) stories.

The Litvinenko looks a lot more like a professional job, this Skripal thing is a clusterfudge and if they wanted him dead he'd be dead...

Do you believe Russian intelligence assassins would do something like this in the way it's been done? Or would it have been more Litvinenko style?

[Jog On]

Hopefully you can see the switch now.

I never said anything about a full recovery - I'm just amazed he's still alive at all if the Russians are behind it.