Do men have a right to "hit" on women?

[contractorinatractor]

There was an interesting video interview with Pamela Anderson yesterday available via BBC News, in which she defended (quite well) her comments that women who agree to 'interviews' or 'meetings' with men alone in hotel rooms either knew what they were getting in to, or should have taken steps to avoid those situations.

Can't find a link to it, but I was surprised at how well she put her point across. The interviewer tried to suggest she was victim-blaming but she refuted that, and simply said that women need to take care and not put themselves in situations where this sort of thing can happen. Apparently she had been offered many "private auditions" but turned them down or made sure she had someone with her. Made good sense to me.

It does sounds like victim-blaming to me. "What was she wearing at the time? Well, what did she expect to happen?"

Replace 'audition' with 'meeting' and 'someone' with 'CEO'.

There are doubtless loads of allegations never brought into daylight as the victim - invariably a woman - felt they wouldn't be believed or, as you have hinted at, would be blamed for placing themselves in that situation in the first place. Rather than place meeting location boundaries and, for example, dress rules, it's better for society to criticise them all equally as infringing on the rights of anybody in the workplace. The aim of this is to improve work conditions for females.

Men don't generally understand how it feels and what affect this can have on your life as most men, thankfully, never have to even consider the notion in their mind. Lack of experience doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve (eradicate?) it for women. They have a hard enough time in the workplace in other areas, such as unequal pay and lack of career progression, without this thrown on top.

[woohoo]

It does sounds like victim-blaming to me. "What was she wearing at the time? Well, what did she expect to happen?"

Replace 'audition' with 'meeting' and 'someone' with 'CEO'.

There are doubtless loads of allegations never brought into daylight as the victim - invariably a woman - felt they wouldn't be believed or, as you have hinted at, would be blamed for placing themselves in that situation in the first place. Rather than place meeting location boundaries and, for example, dress rules, it's better for society to criticise them all equally as infringing on the rights of anybody in the workplace. The aim of this is to improve work conditions for females.

Men don't generally understand how it feels and what affect this can have on your life as most men, thankfully, never have to even consider the notion in their mind. Lack of experience doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve (eradicate?) it for women. They have a hard enough time in the workplace in other areas, such as unequal pay and lack of career progression, without this thrown on top.

I disagree that it sounds like victim blaming. You have to be able to discuss things sensibly without rushing to the soundbites and the catchphrases.

I think there is a valid point about looking after yourself and taking responsibility. If you go to a hotel looking for a job then you have to be careful. Man or women it's a sensible thing to do. You say I will meet you in the reception or take someone with you. That's sensible, because there are sick people out there. It's not victim blaming.

Saying that it does not excuse this man from being a predator, he took advantage of his position.

Regarding the workplace, women are doing fantastically well in School and in the workplace. As many people pointed out the pay gap exists for many reasons not just sexism. I think relating a sexual assault and the pay gap or career progression is a mistake. Keep things seperate and sensible.

[Jog On]

For those of you who are still confused, The Mash Report explains it for you nicely.

"Non-threatening beta male destined for the friend zone" -

Straight from the horse's mouth.

I disagree that it sounds like victim blaming. You have to be able to discuss things sensibly without rushing to the soundbites and the catchphrases.

I think there is a valid point about looking after yourself and taking responsibility. If you go to a hotel looking for a job then you have to be careful. Man or women it's a sensible thing to do. You say I will meet you in the reception or take someone with you. That's sensible, because there are sick people out there. It's not victim blaming.

Saying that it does not excuse this man from being a predator, he took advantage of his position.

Regarding the workplace, women are doing fantastically well in School and in the workplace. As many people pointed out the pay gap exists for many reasons not just sexism. I think relating a sexual assault and the pay gap or career progression is a mistake. Keep things seperate and sensible.

This - exactly what that other BBC article is saying, the whole blanket persecution thing is not having a good effect and damaging the cause.

[original PM]

It does sounds like victim-blaming to me. "What was she wearing at the time? Well, what did she expect to happen?"

Replace 'audition' with 'meeting' and 'someone' with 'CEO'.

There are doubtless loads of allegations never brought into daylight as the victim - invariably a woman - felt they wouldn't be believed or, as you have hinted at, would be blamed for placing themselves in that situation in the first place. Rather than place meeting location boundaries and, for example, dress rules, it's better for society to criticise them all equally as infringing on the rights of anybody in the workplace. The aim of this is to improve work conditions for females.

Men don't generally understand how it feels and what affect this can have on your life as most men, thankfully, never have to even consider the notion in their mind. Lack of experience doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve (eradicate?) it for women. They have a hard enough time in the workplace in other areas, such as unequal pay and lack of career progression, without this thrown on top.

If you are an actress looking for a part in a movie and get invited to do the audition in a bedroom you would be fooking stupid to not expect the 'casting couch' to show its face.

[woohoo]

If you are an actress looking for a part in a movie and get invited to do the audition in a bedroom you would be fooking stupid to not expect the 'casting couch' to show its face.

It shows the seedy side of the business. He was a sex predator and there are also women that will have sex to become famous/rich.

Either way you can't deny that he was a sexual predator and should not be allowed near women.

[original PM]

It shows the seedy side of the business. He was a sex predator and there are also women that will have sex to become famous/rich.

Either way you can't deny that he was a sexual predator and should not be allowed near women.

Indeed not condoning any behaviour just saying that that is the reality and everyone knew it.

[vetran]

Indeed not condoning any behaviour just saying that that is the reality and everyone knew it.

indeed as so many of the victims had done so well why didn't they just freeze the little scumbag out.

Paltrow & Brad knew it was going on if either had said I am not working with wankstain when they were banking millions he would have been replaced.

[original PM]

indeed as so many of the victims had done so well why didn't they just freeze the little scumbag out.

Paltrow & Brad knew it was going on if either had said I am not working with wankstain when they were banking millions he would have been replaced.

Of course - I have absolutely no idea why they did not rock the boat.

[BrilloPad]

It shows the seedy side of the business. He was a sex predator and there are also women that will have sex to become famous/rich.

Either way you can't deny that he was a sexual predator and should not be allowed near women.

Indeed. I was always sure Barry George was innocent. However he was clearly a danger to women so getting him out of the way for a while was good.

I am hoping that before John Warboys is released the other 90 investigated crimes he committed will be taken up with urgency. A thoroughly evil person - he must be despised by ever black cab driver.

[pjclarke]

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