November Budget - Stop Public sector IR35 rules coming into the Private sector

[northernladyuk]

Maybe there's a plan B in "IR35 advisement consultancy" to the big companies scared about using contractors.

The first piece of advice is that this advice is outside IR35.

[Guesstimator]

I don’t think you can read anything into that response. It’s simply the Treasury line. It’s what all constituency MPs from the governing party will ask for when replying on technical matters about which they know feck all. Standard practice. Very few will actually write a considered response. You would’ve got a similar response in the past too. That said, it was always a question of when, and not if, and it has been telegraphed in the press, so there must be a reasonable chance that it will come in the AB.

Yep. Same, potted response (though perhaps a bit more misguidedly pointed from Damian Hinds) from mine two years ago.

TBH, I don't think writing to MP's is the way to tackle this at all, they simply do not grasp the nuances.

[jamesbrown]

TBH, I don't think writing to MP's is the way to tackle this at all, they simply do not grasp the nuances.

Aside from this and lobbying directly, there isn’t much that can be done, fullstop. I think it helps insofar as they sense a degree of opposition from the number of letters received, particularly letters that don’t follow the lobbying format of an interest group. The Faqqer provided an analogy earlier in this thread, I think. Any savvy politician will think twice if there’s an unusually high degree of opposition to something, but the Tories have shown themselves to be pretty tin eared, and the Chancellor, in particular.

[SueEllen]

Yep. Same, potted response (though perhaps a bit more misguidedly pointed from Damian Hinds) from mine two years ago.

TBH, I don't think writing to MP's is the way to tackle this at all, they simply do not grasp the nuances.

When you explain our situation to anyone including MPs you need to think of sectors e.g. engineering where there are very well known skills shortages and where making it difficult to get contractors will directly impact their own lives e.g. trains, electricity. It also helps if that sector complaining about not getting skilled people was recently in the media somewhere particularly a newspaper.

Going on about how you won't be able to work in a bank in London due to living in Edinburgh simply won't cut it with most MPs.

[jamesbrown]

Going on about how you won't be able to work in a bank in London due to living in Edinburgh simply won't cut it with most MPs.

Poor tarbie.

[BoredBloke]

And this morning we had Karen Bradley on BBC Breakfast talking about increasing our productivity and filling the skills gap in the tech sector buy doubling the amount of visas granted. Yet the same government is killing off it's own tech companies.

[Big Blue Plymouth]

And this morning we had Karen Bradley on BBC Breakfast talking about increasing our productivity and filling the skills gap in the tech sector buy doubling the amount of visas granted. Yet the same government is killing off it's own tech companies.

Well that's always how it was going to pan out wasn't it?

Kill off the flexible workforce in the PS and then cry "Skills shortage!".

Infosys et al must be rubbing their hands together.

[SueEllen]

And this morning we had Karen Bradley on BBC Breakfast talking about increasing our productivity and filling the skills gap in the tech sector buy doubling the amount of visas granted. Yet the same government is killing off it's own tech companies.

Why aren't we training our young people up with the skills to do the jobs?

Why are UK employers including the public sector so obtuse that they don't realise they can train people up?

[AtW]

Why aren't we training our young people up with the skills to do the jobs?

Why are UK employers including the public sector so obtuse that they don't realise they can train people up?

Training is a high risk long term investment, which requires a lot of effort from both sides.

Most UK businesses ate not high margin enough to do it, the tax system does not encourage employment in the first place

[poorautojobber]

Just an FYI Vince Cable was in parliament yesterday fighting the cause specifically mentioned IR35. Sounds like someone's been lobbying for us. Bit of a scroll but he's at least respected

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