Catalonia

[Bean]

Scotland, as Catalonia, need the entire country to agree either directly, or indirectly though their government representatives, in Scotlands case it was the Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013 which allowed sections of the Scotland Act 1998 to be bypassed which ordinarily reserves constitutional matters to Westminster.

When were we (the UK) asked if we wanted to allow the referendum? - we weren't, it was the gov - after public support and regional governmental (SNP) vote/support
(now, there is no public support, so the SNP have put Indy#2 on hold)

The Catalan regional & public support it, but Spain refuse to allow it - so what process do they have left available to them?

Answers on a postcard.

[SimonMac]

When were we (the UK) asked if we wanted to allow the referendum? - we weren't, it was the gov - after public support and regional governmental (SNP) vote/support
(now, there is no public support, so the SNP have put Indy#2 on hold)

The Catalan regional & public support it, but Spain refuse to allow it - so what process do they have left available to them?

Answers on a postcard.

The Catalans only option is to try and gather enough NATIONAL support to affect change to a NATIONAL constitution (which they agreed to in 1978), which I would assume they know they cannot do so it seems they are tulip outta luck.

Old Greg seems to think that they can just declare independence, but I doubt that anyone will be that stupid

[PurpleGorilla]

It is in no way easy. But new states do from time to time successfully secede against the will of the country they are leaving.

[northernladyuk]

Old Greg seems to think that they can just declare independence, but I doubt that anyone will be that stupid

But then you don't understand that governments don't make laws.

[Bean]

Old Greg seems to think that they can just declare independence, but I doubt that anyone will be that stupid

Well the Regional gov want to talk 1st (with a stronger hand now I suppose);
Who moves next?

but
given they will outright refuse a legally binding ref - i'm inclined to agree that they will just unilaterally do it (after 'talks' break down)

[northernladyuk]

Well the Regional gov want to talk 1st (with a stronger hand now I suppose);
Who moves next?

but
given they will outright refuse a legally binding ref - i'm inclined to agree that they will just unilaterally do it (after 'talks' break down)

I hope the Catalan Parliament has the moral courage to hold a confirmatory referendum with international observers, but they may not. And of course, Spain may just send in the paramilitaries again.

[SueEllen]

I hope the Catalan Parliament has the moral courage to hold a confirmatory referendum with international observers, but they may not. And of course, Spain may just send in the paramilitaries again.

The only observers they are getting are from Scotland.

[northernladyuk]

The only observers they are getting are from Scotland.

Can I have a borrow of your crystal ball when you're finished with it?

[SueEllen]

Can I have a borrow of your crystal ball when you're finished with it?

Sorry most of the current international observers who were vocal were Scottish.

[northernladyuk]

Sorry most of the current international observers who were vocal were Scottish.

Did you see them on the telly news?