Vote Leave chief who created £350m NHS lie on bus admits leaving EU could be an error

[vetran]

So it was going down prior to 2016?

Of course it was why invest in the UK when you can invest in the old Eastern block countries for a huge reduction in wages.

Or just employ immigrants for substantially less than the locals.

It's a race to the bottom and I'm out.

no its all Brexits fault , get with the program!

[Paddy]

So it was going down prior to 2016?

Of course it was why invest in the UK when you can invest in the old Eastern block countries for a huge reduction in wages.

Or just employ immigrants for substantially less than the locals.

It's a race to the bottom and I'm out.

It's not just wages, land is cheaper, tax is less, business rates much less and less red tape.

[darmstadt]

It's a race to the bottom and I'm out.

Why, you leaving the UK as well?

[Mordac]

There was an article in the FT a few days ago: https://www.ft.com/content/0c3427b2-...4aa8b?mhq5j=e1

But basically investment in the UK car industry has fallen to just £322m in the first half of 2017, in a sign that companies are delaying or cancelling spending ahead of the UK leaving the EU. Last year £1.66bn was invested in the auto sector, more than 30 per cent down from £2.5bn in 2015...But investment looks to have fallen even further in the first six months of this year...If the same levels of investment are seen in the second half of the year, it would bring total annual spend on the UK car industry to just £644m — nearly one-quarter of the amount invested two years ago and a sharper fall than many in the industry had expected...output of UK cars had fallen almost 10 per cent in May compared with last year, the second straight month of year-on-year decline...

Motor manufacturers are probably waiting to find out how much they can squeeze out of the EU to build plants elsewhere in the EU, or perhaps even outside the EU. They already know the Germans will see to it that there are no tariffs on cars between the EU and UK (for reasons we already know, so there's no need to go over it again) so it may simply be the case that the EU want to shaft the UK by tempting manufacturers away with their nifty little backhanders, sorry, loans. It might even work for a while, until people realise the car they thought they were buying wasn't built where they thought it was built. Would you be happy to pay German prices for a supposedly German car built in Romania? And if you found out your Ford was now made in Turkey, would you still want one quite as much? This isn't the 1970's anymore, we can now actually build stuff that won't fall apart within a fortnight, but when the EU starts bribing car-makers to build their factories somewhere else, it does start to look just a little bit wrong.

[northernladyuk]

David Cameron: Brexit could lead to Europe descending into war

Juncker also made the claim in December 2016 in response to the Italian referendum and to push his European Army agenda.
Jean-Claude Juncker: EU boss predicts populism will lead to war in Europe | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

Is this Cameron's ww3 statement? One of the porkies?

"Whenever we turn our back on Europe, sooner or later we come to regret it. We have always had to go back in, and always at much higher cost," he will say.

"The serried rows of white headstones in lovingly tended Commonwealth war cemeteries stand as silent testament to the price this country has paid to help restore peace and order in Europe.

"Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash as to make that assumption."

[northernladyuk]

Is this Cameron's ww3 statement? One of the porkies?

"Whenever we turn our back on Europe, sooner or later we come to regret it. We have always had to go back in, and always at much higher cost," he will say.

"The serried rows of white headstones in lovingly tended Commonwealth war cemeteries stand as silent testament to the price this country has paid to help restore peace and order in Europe.

"Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash as to make that assumption."

I cannot see Juncker's words in context. Just a few choice edits. Can anyone help?

[original PM]

Why, you leaving the UK as well?

No that is why I am staying.

Human life is worth more than that.

We are not interchangeable meat sacks.

[jamesbrown]

Britain Stronger in Europe campaign HQ, Spring 2016.




Vote Leave campaign HQ, Spring 2016.

[northernladyuk]

What was your favourite remain porkie? WWIII and the end of western political civilisation were LOUD, but a little desperate. Households being £4300 worse off was a porkie for the connoisseurs. The immediate Brexit recession and collapse in house prices were arguably most effective...for Leave. What was your favourite remain porkie?

Still trying to choose. Any more links?

[SueEllen]

My favourite remain porker was called David Cameron.

Lock him in prison with the warmonger Blair.