Drove past Greenfell tower this morning

[SueEllen]

I've heard rumours that the flat where the fire started was being used to grow cannabis, and a grow light overheated.

But even if that is true, we'll almost certainly never be told. Much easier to blame Hotpoint for a mysterious incendiary fridge.

Also, apparently the guy who lived in the flat has gone AWOL (with or without the Government's connivance).

To be fair if you started a fire - intentionally or not - where an unknown number of people were killed but a minimum of 79 wouldn't you act strangely due to the guilt you felt?

[BrilloPad]

I've heard rumours that the flat where the fire started was being used to grow cannabis, and a grow light overheated.

But even if that is true, we'll almost certainly never be told. Much easier to blame Hotpoint for a mysterious incendiary fridge.

Also, apparently the guy who lived in the flat has gone AWOL (with or without the Government's connivance).

I believe that. And the moon landings were faked.

However how the fire started is irrelevant. The questions are if the cladding used was legal.

If cladding was legal, why is it now illegal? What changed?

If cladding was not legal, who knew? who should have known?

This is going to take a while to sort out. All the paperwork will be out there. However reading through it will take a while.

[SueEllen]

I believe that. And the moon landings were faked.

However how the fire started is irrelevant. The questions are if the cladding used was legal.

If cladding was legal, why is it now illegal? What changed?

If cladding was not legal, who knew? who should have known?

This is going to take a while to sort out. All the paperwork will be out there. However reading through it will take a while.

Kensington and Chelsea would have ensured the paperwork was shred.

There as Camden wouldn't.

[BrilloPad]

To be fair if you started a fire - intentionally or not - where an unknown number of people were killed but a minimum of 79 wouldn't you act strangely due to the guilt you felt?

It was minimum of 78. One used the opportunity to get away from his cr4ppy wife/life.



Seriously, whatever the number, I hope they all get identified. Kings Cross had one left unidentified.

[BrilloPad]

Kensington and Chelsea would have ensured the paperwork was shred.

There as Camden wouldn't.

Then that will be an offence in itself. The refurbishment was 2 years ago?

And maybe K&C are clean? We just can't be sure.

[vetran]

Apart from the fact that it was the 'upper class' (aka Tory landlords) that voted down amendments to the Housing and Planning Bill that would have made tenant's homes fit for human habitation...

Tories vote down law requiring landlords make their homes fit for human habitation | The Independent

These were effectively council controlled buildings they were allowed to put on dangerous cladding despite it being obvious to anyone involved that they would be a massive fire risk, if it wasn't obvious then it should have been.

The cladding should not have been manufactured or allowed in the UK. Building regulations should have stopped it as should any fire safety certificate. The builders / consultants should have refused to fit it as it would be substandard. Look four steps broken before we even get to the landlord.

It should not be possible to build or create dangerous buildings. That is basic and nothing to do with landlords.

Lets chase landlords for gas, electric & other safety certificates as we have enough difficulty getting that right.

The reality will be no one's head will roll as it seems every tower has substandard cladding and that should never have passed inspection.

None of them have sprinklers or proper fire doors again fail inspection the builder should not have been paid until it was safe.

Once a safe building is handed over then the landlord should take responsibility.

[SueEllen]

It was minimum of 78. One used the opportunity to get away from his cr4ppy wife/life.



Seriously, whatever the number, I hope they all get identified.

The police has pleaded and pleaded for people to come forward if they think anyone is in there to have a chance of doing that.

Kings Cross had one left unidentified.

Sure?

Sure Sure? Only took 16 years...

[BrilloPad]

Government KNEW cladding could catch fire a year ago | Daily Mail Online

Government reassured by quango that flammable cladding was safe last April
Paid adviser BRE Global said 'no evidence' safety checks on towers 'were failing'
It's now being paid to confirm if cladding is dangerous and has failed all 95 so far
Out of date building regulations are being blamed for allowing cladding through
US firm halts sales of Grenfell-type panels sending its share price plummeting
'Convoluted' fire regulations were last looked at in 2005 and are a 'total mess'

Of course, being the Wail, this could well be nonsense....

[vetran]

Government KNEW cladding could catch fire a year ago | Daily Mail Online

Government reassured by quango that flammable cladding was safe last April
Paid adviser BRE Global said 'no evidence' safety checks on towers 'were failing'
It's now being paid to confirm if cladding is dangerous and has failed all 95 so far
Out of date building regulations are being blamed for allowing cladding through
US firm halts sales of Grenfell-type panels sending its share price plummeting
'Convoluted' fire regulations were last looked at in 2005 and are a 'total mess'

Of course, being the Wail, this could well be nonsense....

The Guardian is saying the same thing:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...k-tower-blocks

Webb advised the legal team for the families in the case of the last major tower block blaze in London, in July 2009, when a fire raged through Lakanal House, a 14-storey block built in 1958 in Camberwell, south-east London. Six people were killed, among them two children and a baby, when a fire caused by a faulty television in a ninth-floor home gutted the building.


An inquest into the deaths found the fire spread unexpectedly fast, both laterally and vertically, trapping people in their homes, with the exterior cladding panels burning through in just four and a half minutes.

The council was investigated over possible corporate manslaughter charges, but eventually fined £570,000 under fire safety laws.

disgusting private landlords...

Fire safety in UK buildings is governed by part B of the Building Regulations, a document that has not been subject to an in-depth review since 2006 (by contrast, other parts are reviewed every two years). A 2015 survey by the Fire Sector Federation, a forum for fire and rescue organisations, found that 92% of its members believed the regulations were “long overdue an overhaul”, claiming that they do not reflect today’s design and construction methods and that research underpinning the guidance is out of date. The coroner in the Lakanal House case also called for a review of part B, as the evidence pointed to a risk of further deaths in the future unless changes were made, with about 4,000 tower blocks in the UK remaining subject to outdated regulations.

seems its been broken for a number of governments, none of them did diddly about it.

[vetran]

Prius drivers in London tend to be Uber cabs.

even more reason to avoid them..