The future for oil?

[Mordac]

You write a begging letter to the council.

How to get an electric car charge point on your street | This is Money

If everyone who currently uses internal combustion switched to electric in my area, we'd need a charging point every ten feet or so on virtually every road in the borough. Nice idea, but not practical I'm afraid.

[northernladyuk]

If everyone who currently uses internal combustion switched to electric in my area, we'd need a charging point every ten feet or so on virtually every road in the borough. Nice idea, but not practical I'm afraid.

Why isn't it practical?

[original PM]

You're not expected to have a car.
The future doesn't lie with people having their own cars but you calling one and it self driving to your house then to wherever you want to go.
TaaS like the report says...like CityCar or ZipCar or whatever they're called but times a gazillion.
There'll be a lot of resistance but tbh I think it makes a lot of sense across the board.

I am not convinced it does.

Zipcar or whoever would need to have a car for every citizen - which is available on demand 24/7 - which is just not feasible.

Owning a car bring a huge amount of freedom and convenience which i do not think can be replicated by TaaS.

Yes in some utopian future it may work but not when we still have millions of people doing a 9-5.

[original PM]

Why isn't it practical?

Well for a start half of them will be robbed by pikey's

[northernladyuk]

Well for a start half of them will be robbed by pikey's

What proportion of charging points are currently 'robbed by pikey's [sic]'?

[BlasterBates]

If only technology improved.

Rapid charging is incredibly wasteful taking up as much power as required for 1000 homes, which means you're stuck with overnight charging, which takes several hours, and taking your holidays in places no further than the range of your car.

Electric cars won't spread even with rapid chargers -Toyota engineer | Reuters

[northernladyuk]

Rapid charging is incredibly wasteful taking up as much power as required for 1000 homes, which means you're stuck with overnight charging, which takes several hours, and taking your holidays in places no further than the range of your car.

Electric cars won't spread even with rapid chargers -Toyota engineer | Reuters

If only technology improved.

[Guesstimator]

I am not convinced it does.

Zipcar or whoever would need to have a car for every citizen - which is available on demand 24/7 - which is just not feasible.

Owning a car bring a huge amount of freedom and convenience which i do not think can be replicated by TaaS.

Yes in some utopian future it may work but not when we still have millions of people doing a 9-5.

I love cars and currently work with oil co's, but I use my car 2 hours a day and it's sat doing sweet FA the rest of the time. Point is not to have car for every citizen, to spread the demand.

I totally agree that the 9-5 commute is an issue, but ride sharing is here and now with Uber...it's a hop skip and a jump to have the same at rush hour.

Add in things like staggered working patterns (again, they're used in some cities), working from home, VC, VR etc all these things will contribute in the future to less of the 9-5 and certainly less of the 9-5 with everyone co-located. Forward thinking companies are recognising that productivity isn't defined by how long someone is sitting in their cubicle.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, it's a change of mindset.

But the biggest resistance will be it won't work until it's cheaper than the alternative (and cars are ridiculously cheap here in the UK) or substantially more convenient than it (ie tax (dis)incentives )

It's not a solution for everyone, certainly not to begin with but I do think it's inevitable, and I welcome it. Providing the Brecon Beacons, Highlands and Peak District are turned into track day venues...

[Mordac]

Why isn't it practical?

If I had to guess, we'd need something like 100k points in my borough alone. I have no idea how much they cost, but I wouldn't expect the cost of digging up the pavement and installation to be any less than £10k each.
Not going to happen.

[BlasterBates]

If only technology improved.

That's what they say about Fusion power.

I doubt whether the problems are surmountable, you're fighting "basic physics".