As you were, stand down sas, blasterbates, & co - Brexit has been cancelled!

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how would your country react if the same happened to you? Turkey & Africa may want to join soon.

Not sure. Theres general acceptance towards europeans (again part of the deal) , and we do get loads of migration from Ukraine. Yes. about 1m ukrainians live in poland now after crimea war. The difference is their language is relatively similar to polish

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I thought Gibraltar was inside the single market but outside the custom's union. Could be wrong, though,

Maybe you're right.

I note Spain has secured a veto on any deal applying to Gibraltar.



Gibraltar must really be feeling the love from the EU here.

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Maybe you're right.

I note Spain has secured a veto on any deal applying to Gibraltar.



Gibraltar must really be feeling the love from the EU here.

Or anger towards the vote?

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It was part of the deal. You get free market, big 400m ppl economy, growing eastern europe in return for access to your jobs you create partly based on that market. Now the deal is over.

The problem was your economy was too good. Jobs you created were more than locals could take. Hence influx.
Now you want that cake only to yourself. Not saying its necessary a bad thing, but at what cost it will happen is what worries me

That's the problem.

The "Deal" was never consented to by the population in the first place.

And the second part of the problem is that whilst some people gained, more felt that they lost.

Look, it's easy for me to say, but I don't think you should worry. It is of course a very uncertain time and a big change is going through. But it will settle down.

England and the English are not a fundamentally racist people. Nobody suddenly became an out-and-out racist on June 24th. The far-right BNP got a whopping 3,000 votes in the last GM - across the whole country.

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Neither side covered themselves in glory. The remain side didn't have anything positive to say about the EU so had to resort to threats and fear, which tipped a lot of people into the leave camp.

Even your own message shows the EU has nothing to offer us, so has to resort to thinking of British people as 'traitors' who must be punished, rather than acceptance that British people didn't share their view of a European superstate and wanted out of that. But there is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Just as a point here, I am ashamed by your fear for your daughter being beaten up in school because you are Polish. It isn't even 80 years since Britain stood shoulder to shoulder with Poland at the outbreak of World War 2. Brexit Britain is supposed to be about expanding our world view rather than being confined to the fortress that is the European Union. It seems there is a racist minority that, quite frankly, can piss off to the Principality of Sealand if they want an island fortress free from anyone 'different'.

This standing shoulder to shoulder ended in Yalta. On top of that, Britain asked for the Polish gold reserves to be used to pay for the bullets fired in its defence. Poles preferred to forget that and focus on the future.

You may think it's old days and not relevant anymore, but Eastern Europe remembers the Yalta Conference. The 2004 expansion of the EU was sold to the people in Easter Europe as a sort of making up for what happened after 1939. Britain was seen by some people in Eastern Europe as a counterweight to Germany, which is not seen as a friend by some, but a big boss that tells others what to do. There is still strong resentment towards Germany in Eastern Europe among people who think that Germany won peace after WWII. Well, they do have a point.

The European project was seen as a chance to improve the economic status of Eastern Europe shafted by 50 years of communist rule enabled by Churchill and Roosevelt who gave Eastern Europe to Stalin as spoils of war.

When richer EU members say they are not happy that the money they pay into the EU pot goes to improve the infrastructure in Poland they are actually saying, "we do not care, **** you." That plays into the hands of all sorts of shady types wanting to have another go at implementing some variant of communism or nazism. But Brexiters don't give a flying **** about that.

Brexit is seen as a confirmation that Britain will always back away from any international agreement when it is convenient for her and cannot really be trusted to work together with others.

Yes, the rest of the world will trade with Britain, but don't expect to be invited for dinner.

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This standing shoulder to shoulder ended in Yalta. On top of that, Britain asked for the Polish gold reserves to be used to pay for the bullets fired in its defence. Poles preferred to forget that and focus on the future.

You may think it's old days and not relevant anymore, but Eastern Europe remembers the Yalta Conference. The 2004 expansion of the EU was sold to the people in Easter Europe as a sort of making up for what happened after 1939. Britain was seen by some people in Eastern Europe as a counterweight to Germany, which is not seen as a friend by some, but a big boss that tells others what to do. There is still strong resentment towards Germany in Eastern Europe among people who think that Germany won peace after WWII. Well, they do have a point.

The European project was seen as a chance to improve the economic status of Eastern Europe shafted by 50 years of communist rule enabled by Churchill and Roosevelt who gave Eastern Europe to Stalin as spoils of war.

When richer EU members say they are not happy that the money they pay into the EU pot goes to improve the infrastructure in Poland they are actually saying, "we do not care, **** you." That plays into the hands of all sorts of shady types wanting to have another go at implementing some variant of communism or nazism. But Brexiters don't give a flying **** about that.

Brexit is seen as a confirmation that Britain will always back away from any international agreement when it is convenient for her and cannot really be trusted to work together.

Yes, the rest of the world will trade with Britain, but don't expect to be invited to dinner.

Thanks for this. Wouldn't present this POV better myself

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That's the problem.

The "Deal" was never consented to by the population in the first place.

Those big deals never are consented to by the population. Otherwise they would never happen.

And the second part of the problem is that whilst some people gained, more felt that they lost.

I'd say those who lost were already on the loosing end of the deal that late Mrs Tatcher implemented in the UK in the 90's. She started mass privatisation, which created a lot of poverty and loss of jobs. Same thing happened in Eastern Europe after 1989.

Look, it's easy for me to say, but I don't think you should worry. It is of course a very uncertain time and a big change is going through. But it will settle down.

Or not. The last year's Tory party conference was an eye-opener for the foreigners here. Just like Labour party does not seem to understand that it does have a problem with anti-semitism so Tories do not grasp the idea that they are being perceived as nasty to foreigners, especially those from the EU (East or West).

England and the English are not a fundamentally racist people. Nobody suddenly became an out-and-out racist on June 24th. The far-right BNP got a whopping 3,000 votes in the last GM - across the whole country.

No, you're not racist en masse. But the result of the referendum gave the racists among you (and abroad) permission to come out of the woods. It will take years to put that genie back where it belongs.

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This standing shoulder to shoulder ended in Yalta. On top of that, Britain asked for the Polish gold reserves to be used to pay for the bullets fired in its defence. Poles preferred to forget that and focus on the future.

Poland was occupied by USSR at the time, such decisions were made in Moscow

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Nothing to offer? Withdrawing from EU will show you what it had on offer. Single market, peace, collaboration between neighbours, stability and prosperity. A group of 400m people feeling like being part of project that will prevent any wars and completely resolve any conflicts arising, like growing nationalism etc. You will get little of that now.

I adored British . But now I don't.

I'm listening to LBC every day and every time european calls they are absolutely outraged. Yeah pissed like hell. Left EU for what reason ? Have few less stupid laws or have own stupid laws? You could have had them anyway. Just like 0 hour contracts..
Now that it had happened its just pure SHOCK

So you make a few quid in the UK and as soon as the going gets tough - you bail out?

And you were expecting us to integrate you?

One doesn't think this is how one should behave.

If you were of British calibre you would stand and fight.

Not migrate at the first sign of trouble.

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Poland was occupied by USSR at the time, such decisions were made in Moscow

Nope, despite our best effort we were sold to Russia in Yalta. The russian troops were in Poland indeed but Churchil said Russians can take lands wherever they have troops.

Because of Stalin's strong promises and admission of guilt over Poland, Churchill believed that he would keep his word regarding Poland, remarking "Poor Neville Chamberlain believed he could trust Hitler. He was wrong. But I don't think I am wrong about Stalin."[14]

At that time, over 200,000 soldiers of the Polish Armed Forces in the West were serving under the high command of the British Army. Many of these men and women were originally from the Kresy region of eastern Poland including cities such as Lwow and Wilno. They had been deported from Kresy to the eastern regions of Russia, or sent to Gulags when the USSR occupied this region of Poland in 1939. Two years later, when Churchill and Stalin formed an alliance against Hitler, the Kresy Poles were released from the Gulags in Siberia, formed the Anders Army and marched to Persia to create the II Corps (Poland) under British high command.

These Polish troops were instrumental to the Allied defeat of the Germans in North Africa[citation needed] and Italy, and hoped to return to their homes in Kresy in an independent and democratic Poland at the end of the War. But at Yalta, Roosevelt and Churchill largely acceded to Stalin's demands to annex[15] the territory which in the Nazi-Soviet Pact he and Hitler had agreed to the Soviet Union controlling, including Kresy, and to carry out Polish population transfers (1944–1946). Consequently, they in effect agreed that tens of thousands of veteran Polish troops under British command should lose their Kresy homes to the Soviet Union. In reaction, thirty officers and men from the II Corps (Poland) committed suicide.[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_...e_Eastern_Bloc

So you make a few quid in the UK and as soon as the going gets tough - you bail out?

And you were expecting us to integrate you?

One doesn't think this is how one should behave.

If you were of British calibre you would stand and fight.

Not migrate at the first sign of trouble.

So yeah, betrayed again!