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[sasguru]

If they can deny drugs based on cost I would suggest this falls within their remit.

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Deciding on where the NHS buys aspirin is not in the NICE remit.
Mainly they look at the new more expensive drugs and decide whether they should be prescribed based on the QALY framework.

[LondonManc]

Because nobody gives a monkeys when they're spending other people's money.

An organisation founded by socialists doesn't care when it's not their money that's being spent. Well, fancy that.

[vetran]

You gotta laugh at the way the cretin pontificates about stuff he has no idea about.

so NICE does not decide if Medicines are available for the NHS?

They don't have the power to recommend what drugs are used based on cost/effectiveness and defines scenarios in which certain drugs may be used.

so what do they do?

[vetran]

Deciding on where the NHS buys aspirin is not in the NICE remit.
Mainly they look at the new more expensive drugs and decide whether they should be prescribed based on the QALY framework.

well maybe it should be?

[sasguru]

well maybe it should be?

DO you understand the difference between treatment guidelines and procurement?
They are completely different things.

[northernladyuk]

so NICE does not decide if Medicines are available for the NHS?

They don't have the power to recommend what drugs are used based on cost/effectiveness and defines scenarios in which certain drugs may be used.

so what do they do?

NICE has no control over the price paid by the NHS for paracetamol.

[SueEllen]

DO you understand the difference between treatment guidelines and procurement?
They are completely different things.

He doesn't.

[northernladyuk]

DO you understand the difference between treatment guidelines and procurement?
They are completely different things.

These are really basic questions, Sas, and you really shouldn't need to ask them.

[vetran]

DO you understand the difference between treatment guidelines and procurement?
They are completely different things.

yes and if treatment Guidelines (from NICE's objective above allow them to advise on Medicines & prescribing) suggest that aspirin should not be prescribed by GPs except in exceptional circumstances the patient should buy their own with advice from the doctor then there is no need to procure so many.

You know these two 'Guidelines & procurement' can work together?

If you suggest that you will no longer buy from a significant supplier they frequently adjust the price to make it cheaper than lose the business.

Of course that comes from another budget so we don't care.

[vetran]

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) is the
independent organisation responsible for providing national guidance
and quality standards on the promotion of good health, the prevention
and treatment of ill health, and social care; advice on medicines and
prescribing; and indicators for the Quality and Outcomes Framework
(QOF) for GP services and the Clinical Commissioning Group
Outcomes Indicator Set (CCGOIS).

NICE's words .