The flag of the EU

[PurpleGorilla]

So it does sound like you favour the Anglo-American cretinocracy model.

Yes, I love America; amazing country and wonderful people.

[northernladyuk]

Yes, I love America; amazing country and wonderful people.

Me too, as it happens.

[PurpleGorilla]

Me too, as it happens.

For the record I also love Europe and Europeans. But not the EU. (Europe and the EU are not the same thing).

[SueEllen]

Yes, I love America; amazing country and wonderful people.

More fool you.

Americans are like everyone else worldwide. Some are lovely and some are a***holes.

[PurpleGorilla]

More fool you.

Americans are like everyone else worldwide. Some are lovely and some are a***holes.

I'd agree with that, but I was asked my views on America:Americans.

[vetran]

So to take Nick Griffin as an example, do you think the BNP aren't a Nazi Party?

they aren't they are a racist party, they might be a Facist party but so are the SNP.

fascism
NOUN

1[mass noun] An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices:
‘this is yet another example of health fascism in action’

right wing
noun
1.
the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system.
"a candidate from the right wing of the party"
2.
the right side of a team on the field in soccer, rugby, and field hockey.
"he reverted to his normal position on the right wing"

They however don't exist in Germany, don't have the same aims or many even go to work.

The lazy use of Nazi tends to undermine the true horror of Nazism. It is like describing someone who takes the last biscuit as a war criminal.


Point is those mentioned in the UK have never held significant office and we ignore them as nutters. I doubt you could find many leavers who quote Nick Griffin as an inspiration and the Monster raving Loony party got 2.5 times as many votes in the general election.

Yorkshire first did far better.

Election 2015 - BBC News


The EDL don't even register in the vote.

They are irrelevant and are just rhetoric.

However the ones I mentioned have held significant office, many have been accused of serious crimes (illegal invasions, fraud etc.) or they have disclosed them yet they are apparently the reason we should remain.

[darmstadt]

they aren't they are a racist party, they might be a Facist party but so are the SNP.

You sure? A lot of people on here opposed to Scotland leaving the Union called them a bunch of socialist, lefties, etc. I think you'll actually find they're a left of centre, social democratic and progressive party...I think that you'll find the current Conservative Party, UKIP and the various Leave EU groups are more fascist than the SNP...

a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation (see recent comments by Tory leaders re. Brexit) and often race (anything spouted by a UKIP member) above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader (Mayhem seems to have tuned that way), severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

[vetran]

You sure? A lot of people on here opposed to Scotland leaving the Union called them a bunch of socialist, lefties, etc. I think you'll actually find they're a left of centre, social democratic and progressive party...I think that you'll find the current Conservative Party, UKIP and the various Leave EU groups are more fascist than the SNP...

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fascism

[mass noun] An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices:
‘this is yet another example of health fascism in action’

Definitely Nationalistic.

right wing
NOUN

1The conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system:
‘a candidate from the right wing of the party’

reactionary
ADJECTIVE

Opposing political or social progress or reform:

Reactionary is odd but remember how the SNP have rejected new powers and failed to use them to move toward Devomax to prepare for independence.

They are also strongly opposing reform in many ways.

They are most definitely prejudiced against non scots.

Yet some of their policies are socialist. Its a difficult one, let us however look at their past.

and of course the SNP's roots are just as murky as the Wail's.

Gavin Bowd reveals some uncomfortable truths in Fascist Scotland - The Scotsman

In January 1939, Douglas Young, future leader of the SNP, wrote to his fellow poet George Campbell Hay: “If Hitler could neatly remove our imperial breeks somehow and thus dissipate the mirage of imperial partnership with England he would do a great service to Scottish Nationalism.” Scottish nationalists’ hostility to conscription and the war effort raised fears among the authorities of a pro-Nazi “Fifth Column” as had been found, for example, among Breton and Flemish nationalists. There were a series of raids on nationalists’ homes and two potential Caledonian Quislings, Matthew Hamilton and Arthur Donaldson, were imprisoned. It was a sign of the times that Graham *Seton Hutchison, a distinguished soldier and novelist, switched allegiances from Nazism to the SNP.

You of course can always judge a person by his friends

SNP: The hatred at the heart of Scotland’s struggle to be free - Telegraph

But the SNP’s new friends are an uncomfortable reminder that nationalism is not as cuddly and inclusive a creed as Mr Salmond would have you believe. By British standards, the VVB is a far-Right organisation. “They are closely associated with the [neo-Fascist party] Vlaams Belang,” says Kris Deschouwer, professor of politics at the Free University of Brussels and author of the standard English-language work on Belgian politics. “They are ultra-nationalists and the SNP should watch who they mix with.”

or his words

And even Salmond himself, though saying on several occasions that he is an “Anglophile”, has not been averse to national stereotyping at times, condemning Westminster cabinet ministers as “incompetent Lord Snootys”.

Interesting just noticed this

As the committee stage was nearing its end, it scrutinised an amendment from Labour backbencher George Cunningham. It required the Secretary of State to lay before Parliament an order repealing the Act unless at least 40% of the eligible electorate voted "yes". The amendment was strongly opposed by the Government, but they lost the vote by 166 votes to 151.

In the referendum, on 1 March 1979, Scotland voted in favour of devolution by 52% to 48% - but only 32.9% of the electorate had joined the majority. In Wales the vote was against devolution, by 80% to 20%. The Acts were repealed the next month.

so when offered devolution not enough people voted and look at the percentages.

Interestingly enough 72.2% turnout on the Brexit vote.

[shaunbhoy]

If they intend having their own Army with the French and Italians anywhere near the reins of power, they might want to make one half all white, and have a yellow stripe down the other.

[Bee]

For the record I also love Europe and Europeans. But not the EU. (Europe and the EU are not the same thing).

Good point of view.