My Life is Complete

[Lucifer Box]

Are you my wife by any chance????

Yes, and you're in big trouble when you get home.

[monkeyboy]

Promises Promises

[Ardesco]

We try and keep him on organic veggies and fruits. Dunno if it will make a difference in the end...but so far he hasn't had a single sweet thing. And the nursery cook from scratch the snacks which the kids get to eat - which can only be good.

His favorite thing to do is to say "ta ta" to everyone leaving through a door. Its really cute and he can tell the difference between entering and leaving. Another cute thing is he says "TA!" when you hand him something. aaaawww
But when he gets going walking with his truck...he can do it all day. without a nap. Meaning I get home to a very tired and upset baby.

I must say that i don't buy into all this organic rubbish personally. I ate genetically modified fruit and veg most of my life and there is nothing wrong with me!! (The third eye can be quite useful at times..). Also some organic food has more toxins in it than genetically modified as you have to throw more pesticides around to ensure you have a viable crop....

[Ardesco]

You are telling me that they can grow entire crops of this stuff without using pesticides and still harvest enough to make it finacially viable? If so no farmer would be using pesticides as they cost a bloody fortune....

[DaveB]

You are telling me that they can grow entire crops of this stuff without using pesticides and still harvest enough to make it finacially viable? If so no farmer would be using pesticides as they cost a bloody fortune....

Yep. Why do you think organic products command a premium. The cost of using persticides and other chemicals is more than offset by the increase in yields that they produce. Even after using them crop yields are such that non-organic produce can be sold cheaper than organic and still make a profit.

This is why most of our food is high volume product of dubious provenance. This goes even more so for Organic/Non-organic meat.

The Soil Association regulate the organic industry with a very strict certification scheme including inspections and licensing proceedures. You cannot use the word Organic in your product or business name without being certified by them.

An no, you can't just stop using chemicals and call it organic. The land farmed has to be chemical free for 4 years ( IIRC ) before you can claim crops grown on it are organic, although you can claim the be "Organic conversion in progress" and be licensed for that in the meantime.

There are a total of 4 chemicals that organic producers are allowed to use "as a last resort" but they are based on natural substances such as Copper, Sulpher, Soft soap and Derris. This compares to over 350 legal pesticides and other chemicals available to non-organic farmers.

[Ardesco]

I'm probably getting my arguments mixed up between organic and non-gm

[lilelvis2000]

I'm probably getting my arguments mixed up between organic and non-gm

yup. Correct me if I'm wrong but most GM is done to make them more resistant to insects and diseases, so potentially you could use less/none chemicals on them. Then again some GM products are made by pesticide companies so that they don't absorb the pesticide.

I'd rather my son wasn't having oranges with a coating on them. apples with the same and almost anything else these days. I hear there is organic cow's milk...is that true?

[DaveB]

I'd rather my son wasn't having oranges with a coating on them. apples with the same and almost anything else these days. I hear there is organic cow's milk...is that true?

Yes there is. Sainsburys sell it as well as some of the other supermarkets I think.

[hyperD]

To be honest, I don't think my wife really cares what she gets on her plate. Her family upbringing was unfortunately one where mealtimes were something to be gotten out of the way quickly so you could go back to watching the TV. I do do all the cooking though because I like to eat well, so I hope she enjoys that aspect of it at least! I'm sure she does. In my fantasy world I would have been a chef, but I realise that is hopelessly idealistic as except for a tiny handful it is hard work, long hours and low pay, all of which are anathema to me!

Just catching up and this caught my eye LB: snap! Wife's childhood mealtimes were associated with suffering at the table from her authoritarian "eat your greens, I don't care if it takes all evening" father. Consequently, mealtimes become a manic whirlwind of elaborate fencing cut-and-thrust dans sa bouche maneuvres with the cutlery to minimise exposure to the dining experience.

However, she's beginning to enjoy food more and is starting to take her time a little more.

And the Argyll arms - used to go there regularly in 1989/1990/1991. Great pub.

[Lucifer Box]

Ah, hyperD, my old friend. Looks like we really were twins separated at birth. Yes, when I first met Mrs Lucifer she ate as though someone was going to come along and snatch her food off her. Cram it down as quick as you can so you can get onto something else more interesting. Meantime I was still twirling my first canape. It has improved somewhat on that front but still she'd be just as happy with a bowl of porridge.

Got the first jerusalem artichokes of the season at the weekend - they make fabulous soup!

Agreed, The Argyll Arms is always my drinking establishment of choice in central London.