The Price of Brexit? More Indians?

[MPwannadecentincome]

It's a viscous circle...

Starve the education system here so as to reduce the UK talent pool, then complain there is a skills shortage, keep outsourcing offshore and make the existing talent pool redundant forcing more onto the job market, reduce the market rate, use visas to bring offshore people on-shore, some of these will at some point become resident, thus more people on the job market, reduce the market rate. Wise elders say to youngsters don't go into a career in IT you are only likely to be made redundant when your job is outsourced. Talent pool reduced again as youngster's dont join the industry as elders are retired or on early retirement. Complain there is a skills shortage....

Ad infinitum.

[stek]

What I was trying to say in my initial post is that closing the door to EU migration opens the door for non-EU migration, aimed at Brexiters, there is control of borders, it's a fallacy since illegal immigration is a drop in the ocean compared to government sanctioned.

[squarepeg]

It's not racist if it's true. My current gig it's the same, we have a mix of onshore, "nearshore" (Polish) and offshore consultancy workers. The Polish are actually very good to give them credit (I suspect they're not as cheap as the Indians but not as expensive as me ). The Indians - barring a few rare exceptions - need a huge amount of hand-holding, have zero initiative, and if they get stuck just stop working.

Come 4pm you can find most of the onshore ones congregated in our kitchen areas just standing around chatting. They might be 1/4 of the cost but I'd be willing to bet they're much less than 1/4 as useful.

Office hours in Poland used to be 7:00am~8:00am to 3:00pm~4:00pm, not sure what they are now. If you want to win that hour back, tell them to start earlier. They are used to school starting at 7:30am. It doesn't matter what nationality they are, if you tell people they can leave work earlier they are more than willing to start earlier.

If you think they are cheaper, especially those who are contracting, you may be in for a surprise. There are Polish contractors in the UK know how to play the game and get top rates.

[bobspud]

If you think they are cheaper, especially those who are contracting, you may be in for a surprise. There are Polish contractors in the UK know how to play the game and get top rates.

And that is the way it is supposed to be. Top rates generate vat and corporation tax not to mention spending power for the pub and the wider economy. If we need skills then there is a going rate.

[SueEllen]

If you think they are cheaper, especially those who are contracting, you may be in for a surprise. There are Polish contractors in the UK know how to play the game and get top rates.

There are contractors and permies of all nationalities who won't put up with tulip rates or wages, and play the game to ensure they get what they want.

[d000hg]

This will never happen. The sad fact of the matter is our default white male senior management want to work with people like them. Not some poor Indian guy that has eaten far too much food containing onions and garlic in the past 24 hours to be put in close quarters with their thousand pound suit.

Erudite point there "foreigners stink". As opposed to the English guy who stinks of cigarettes and Lynx or the lady who thinks you're supposed to bathe in cheap horrific perfume.

Ugh.

[scooterscot]

It's a viscous circle...

Starve the education system here so as to reduce the UK talent pool, then complain there is a skills shortage, keep outsourcing offshore and make the existing talent pool redundant forcing more onto the job market, reduce the market rate, use visas to bring offshore people on-shore, some of these will at some point become resident, thus more people on the job market, reduce the market rate. Wise elders say to youngsters don't go into a career in IT you are only likely to be made redundant when your job is outsourced. Talent pool reduced again as youngster's dont join the industry as elders are retired or on early retirement. Complain there is a skills shortage....

Ad infinitum.

It'll keep happening over and over again. You can have referenda until you're blue in the face. Until a government replaces short-term sound bites for votes with long-term strategies, the country will remain in a rut IMO.

Watching the panorama program recently on trains. - Crammed in like sardines whilst paying Rolls Royce prices. Something is seriously broken.

[The_Equalizer]

It'll keep happening over and over again. You can have referenda until you're blue in the face. Until a government replaces short-term sound bites for votes with long-term strategies, the country will remain in a rut IMO.

Watching the panorama program recently on trains. - Crammed in like sardines whilst paying Rolls Royce prices. Something is seriously broken.

The number of people in the South East (or travelling in and out of it) has nothing to do with it?

[MrMarkyMark]

It'll keep happening over and over again. You can have referenda until you're blue in the face. Until a government replaces short-term sound bites for votes with long-term strategies, the country will remain in a rut IMO.

Watching the panorama program recently on trains. - Crammed in like sardines whilst paying Rolls Royce prices. Something is seriously broken.

A rare gem from all the usual BS Scooter spouts

[LondonManc]

A rare gem from all the usual BS Scooter spouts

I know. It felt so strange but I've just liked one of his posts.