What would JC say?

[darmstadt]

Maybe in your tiny uneducated mind that is a relevant point.

Unlike your one track mind:

Under the plans, firms employing from abroad could have to use tests to ensure foreign workers do not take jobs “British people could do”.

Businesses may even be “named and shamed” by being forced to publish what proportion of their workforce comes from overseas. Foreigners looking for work driving taxis could be faced with mandatory immigration checks and overseas students will also be hit by much tougher rules.

Presumably if Scotland decide to go it alone then all the Scottish people would all have to **** off back to the Gorbals

[scooterscot]

Absolutely this. We're in a world now where cost is king 90% of the time and instant bottom line is what matters. The primary responsibility of a plc is to its shareholders, but that seems to only be concerned with the current share price rather than the long term one, which is obviously of far more interest to the pension funds.

Tell that to the privately owned and operated companies like BMW or Porsche. Quality matters. Yes shareholder short-termisn plc is driven by cost for a quick profit. But it's also the quickest route to their grave. There are no winners in the race to the bottom. Period. China being a prime example, built on the back of cheap labour, spiralling growth, and now drunk on debt. They'll now have to compete with west and since they copy everyone else they might find themselves up against the buffers quick sharp.

Really up to what business owners want, legacy/reputation or a quick buck. Can't have both.

[minestrone]

Tell that to the privately owned and operated companies like BMW or Porsche. Quality matters. Yes shareholder short-termisn plc is driven by cost for a quick profit. But it's also the quickest route to their grave. There are no winners in the race to the bottom. Period. China being a prime example, built on the back of cheap labour, spiralling growth, and now drunk on debt. They'll now have to compete with west and since they copy everyone else they might find themselves up against the buffers quick sharp.

Really up to what business owners want, legacy/reputation or a quick buck. Can't have both.

How much apple tech have you bought?

[scooterscot]

How much apple tech have you bought?

I'm thinking about your underpants made in some sweatshop in Bangladesh.

Apple places itself in China not just for the cost of labour but also if they want 100,000 screws of this type you just cross the street, or 5,000 screens of this type, the next st along. The working conditions in foxcomm are just like financial boiler rooms in the city!

[minestrone]

I'm thinking about your underpants made in some sweatshop in Bangladesh.

Apple places itself in China not just for the cost of labour but also if they want 100,000 screws of this type you just cross the street, or 5,000 screens of this type, the next st along. The working conditions in foxcomm are just like financial boiler rooms in the city!

Apple make 500 quid profit off each phone.

[scooterscot]

Apple make 500 quid profit off each phone.

Not bad. I bought my last iPhone for €260 (on trading in with the old).

Someone somewhere is good with numbers.

[SueEllen]

How much apple tech have you bought?

None.



However all my android phones, laptops and other computer bits and pieces come from China.

[d000hg]

£30 PD, based here I have seen, although a run down terraced house in Hounslow, to house 10, was provided.

So a bit like Brits used to live in the mining days then... except then it was 3 generations of the same family in the same house

[westtester]

Because the Bobs etc are cheaper. End of. Quality is not an issue for them, because if they can show a cost reduction, they get their bonus, move on, and hope that some other feckwit gets the blame when the f**k up fairy comes to visit. It's how big business has worked for the last 15 years at least. Cheap is good. And hope the consequences will be someone else's problem.

I'm in a situation like this right now. We had a flood of Cognizent 'consultants' brought in to make up for a shortfall in devs and testers. They are worse than useless, I can see stressed out permies having to explain the same thing to them over and over again. I've sat in meetings where it's taken the full hour to explain something to them which should be obvious in around 10 minutes to a cretin. Despite a huge headcount, the project is falling behind week on week.....

[The_Equalizer]

Tell that to the privately owned and operated companies like BMW or Porsche. Quality matters. Yes shareholder short-termisn plc is driven by cost for a quick profit. But it's also the quickest route to their grave. There are no winners in the race to the bottom. Period. China being a prime example, built on the back of cheap labour, spiralling growth, and now drunk on debt. They'll now have to compete with west and since they copy everyone else they might find themselves up against the buffers quick sharp.

Really up to what business owners want, legacy/reputation or a quick buck. Can't have both.

Interesting you mentioned German car manafacturers. Mercedes cut costs from the mid-late 1990s to early 2000s and did serious damage to their reputation. Their cars rusted like the shi7e from the 1970s.