Merged thread concerning attacks in Europe

[original PM]

Many if not most present day refugees are economic migrants using warfare and oppression and suchlike as a pretext. Also, with unskilled jobs steadily vanishing in Western countries these migrants are in direct competition with indigenous people. That was much less so in past years when there were more jobs to go round.

It's easy to be magnanimous and welcoming when you have a secure skilled job, and no doubt live in a nice area. But liberals like you are increasingly out of touch, and the longer immigration is allowed and even encouraged, the bigger the backlash that will build up, and that will adversely affect everyone, including immigrants already here!

Could not agree more in fact I always felt a remain vote was a 'fook the poor' vote

[original PM]

To which country will we deport UK born people who don't respect human rights?

Well we need to ask a different question

Do they feel they are a british citizen with all the responsibilities that go with that or do they still see themselves as something other than that and wish to live under a different set of laws.

So if they feel Sharia law is correct they get deported.

If they wish to live under UK law they will be tried under UK law.

We only make this difficult for ourselves when we try and solve the problems they have created for themselves.

[SueEllen]

Many if not most present day refugees are economic migrants using warfare and oppression and suchlike as a pretext. Also, with unskilled jobs steadily vanishing in Western countries these migrants are in direct competition with indigenous people. That was much less so in past years when there were more jobs to go round.

It's easy to be magnanimous and welcoming when you have a secure skilled job, and no doubt live in a nice area. But liberals like you are increasingly out of touch, and the longer immigration is allowed and even encouraged, the bigger the backlash that will build up, and that will adversely affect everyone, including immigrants already here!

I live in London where strangely enough we still have poor people. And oddly enough I help some of those poor people and have interesting discussions with them particularly about the skewed housing market.

[vetran]

I live in London where strangely enough we still have poor people. And oddly enough I help some of those poor people and have interesting discussions with them particularly about the skewed housing market.

so how do you think importing more bodies when we are already short of housing is going to affect these poor people?

[SueEllen]

If they were genuinely running from an oppressive regime then why are they not content to stay in Greece or wherever they land?

In all the historical examples I gave people were looking to travel to particular countries and not just stay in the first country that was OK. This was because they had family, friends and/or acquaintances in those countries.

Why do they then feel the need and indeed feel they have the right to go to Germany/France/UK etc and demand things?

These people like in the historical examples I gave are mostly middle class and oddly enough middle class people are demanding.

And then why do they feel the need to try to introduce some of those 'things' that were making the regime oppressive in the first place - such as Sharia Law.

At times it seems that they tried to fight with the Syrian troops, realised they were loosing and then decided to take advantage of soft European targets and continue the war there?

I strongly doubt the women and children were fighting with the Syrian troops. Some of the men are actually fleeing to ensure they don't get conscripted in Assad's oppressive regime.

[vetran]

To which country will we deport UK born people who don't respect human rights?

why would we feel we should inflict our UK born offenders on others?

We are talking about generations of incompetence on immigration.

[DimPrawn]

so how do you think importing more bodies when we are already short of housing is going to affect these poor people?

You're wasting your time, Sue Ellen is an Islington luvvie. She thinks helping the poor involves carrying someone's shopping for them out of Waitrose and to their nearly new Range Rover.

[Old Greg]

Well we need to ask a different question

Do they feel they are a british citizen with all the responsibilities that go with that or do they still see themselves as something other than that and wish to live under a different set of laws.

So if they feel Sharia law is correct they get deported.

If they wish to live under UK law they will be tried under UK law.

We only make this difficult for ourselves when we try and solve the problems they have created for themselves.

So would you have yourself deported to Russia as someone who doesn't support British values of decency and fair play?

[DimPrawn]

To which country will we deport UK born people who don't respect human rights?

Wales.

[Old Greg]

If they were genuinely running from an oppressive regime then why are they not content to stay in Greece or wherever they land?

Why do they then feel the need and indeed feel they have the right to go to Germany/France/UK etc and demand things?

And then why do they feel the need to try to introduce some of those 'things' that were making the regime oppressive in the first place - such as Sharia Law.

At times it seems that they tried to fight with the Syrian troops, realised they were loosing and then decided to take advantage of soft European targets and continue the war there?

I see, you are confusing he reasons why people leave a country and the reasons why they subsequently select new country a where they would like to be.

A couple of informative tables here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...gee_population