"That country now has collapsed - politically, economically, monetarily ..."

[CretinWatcher]

You just don't "do" optimism................

Nope. Don't do pessimism either.
Just realism based on analysis.

[DodgyAgent]

I was talking about the less educated and skilled in our industry (although I'm not sure that the denizens of this forum are in "our" industry any more)
As you said in an earlier post they weren't being threatened by EU competition, much more from non-EU.
The loss of jobs on the bottom rung of the ladder in this industry will occur from the general hollowing out of the economy.
There has never been one instance in history where protectionism led to greater wealth in the long run for the contry practising it.

fair enough.

[CretinWatcher]

The less educated and lesser skilled jobs are being taken by European graduates forcing our own "lesser educated" down the skills ladder. if you bothered to take a look at the demographics of EU migration you would understand this.

I was talking about the less educated and skilled in our industry (although I'm not sure that the denizens of this forum are in "our" industry any more)
As you said in an earlier post they weren't being threatened by EU competition, much more from non-EU.
The loss of jobs on the bottom rung of the ladder in this industry will occur from the general hollowing out of the economy.
There has never been one instance in history where protectionism led to greater wealth in the long run for the country practising it.

[DodgyAgent]

It doesn't matter, the big corps will claim that their skills shortage have worsened, so they can bring in non-EU cheap labour

That is very true.

[CretinWatcher]

Why? If you are 1st rate you can go anywhere anyway. Might need a few more forms filling in for visa's etc but if you are that good, you will be in demand and your rate will be high enough for you not to worry. Plus if you are being paid in local currency you will be making a premium on the £'s slump at the moment too.

So if you are confident in your skills, and you are acting on a selfish basis you may well have voted Brexit anyway to take advantage of this.

Exactly. And because I wasn't voting on a selfish basis I voted Remain.

[CretinWatcher]

Very few ICT and stem skilled workers come to the UK from EU countries

It doesn't matter, the big corps will claim that their skills shortage have worsened, so they can bring in non-EU cheap labour

[DodgyAgent]

I would have expected first rate contractors to vote Remain to take advantage of the vast opportunities in Europe.
And they probably did, but very few of them are on this forum, if any.
Instead, on here, we seem to have a bunch of third raters who weren't smart enough to realise that Brexit means far fewer jobs for everybody, particularly for the less educated and skilled.

The less educated and lesser skilled jobs are being taken by European graduates forcing our own "lesser educated" down the skills ladder. if you bothered to take a look at the demographics of EU migration you would understand this.

[doconline]

I would have expected first rate contractors to vote Remain to take advantage of the vast opportunities in Europe.
And they probably did, but very few of them are on this forum, if any.
Instead, on here, we seem to have a bunch of third raters who weren't smart enough to realise that Brexit means far fewer jobs for everybody, particularly for the less educated and skilled.

Why? If you are 1st rate you can go anywhere anyway. Might need a few more forms filling in for visa's etc but if you are that good, you will be in demand and your rate will be high enough for you not to worry. Plus if you are being paid in local currency you will be making a premium on the £'s slump at the moment too.

So if you are confident in your skills, and you are acting on a selfish basis you may well have voted Brexit anyway to take advantage of this.

[shaunbhoy]

But even with the most optimistic scenario, in 5 years time , I don't expect the country to have the same status or wealth it had prior to this vote.

You just don't "do" optimism................you curmudgeonly Mr-Glass-Half-Empty!!

We'll be fine.

Chillax!

[CretinWatcher]

Of course you would, but that is because you cast your vote based solely in your own personal self-interest.
Had I taken such a selfish view then I too would have voted Remain, as that would have been in my own narrow self-interest.
However, I chose to vote for the option that I genuinely believe will benefit a majority of my fellow countrymen and not just the privileged.
Sometimes my Altruism just gets the better of me. What can I say?

I'm confident I will thrive whatever the circumstances, so my vote wasn't personal.
I voted Remain because I didn't want the country destroyed politically and economically.
Time will tell who was right.
But even with the most optimistic scenario, in 5 years time , I don't expect the country to have the same status or wealth it had prior to this vote.
In the pessimistic scenario, well who knows.