Article 50 won't be triggered this year under Gove

[CretinWatcher]

so who blinks next?

You lot are still in la-la land

The EU doesn't have to do a thing, just wait till investment in the UK dries up and companies start relocating to EUrope to access the larger markets. Then we'll go in with our begging bowl.

[vetran]

Surely if it turns out we dont exit then it was a bit pointless having a referendum in the first place.

However, has confirmed that referendums are a waste of time. Why have parliament and mps if you're going to have referendums?

If we get a much better deal and stay in the common market not march towards the EUSSR then its a total result.

The choice was between ever closer union & getting out the EU told us so.

[CretinWatcher]

The choice was between ever closer union & getting out the EU told us so.

Nope. The EU acknowledged that the UK would have the right to NOT JOIN ANY POLITICAL UNION, and I quote, "IN PERPETUITY".(I know you're a Brexiter, so I'll translate, that means NEVER).
That was going to be writen into the Treaty documents.
Now it's null and void.
We will be going back into the EU at some point, either sooner, if the economy tanks worse than expected or later, when the people over 50 have died out and the younger generation takes us back in.
But we will never have as good terms as we had.

[woohoo]

The EU won't negotiate any trade terms until exit negotiations are completed, which themselves would be complicated and drawn out.

Brexit: Tensions emerge over UK-EU trade negotiations - BBC News

not looking good for the next PM, what a farce.

That's what happens when you pick a fight with someone who is 10 times the size of you.

Jeesh you couldn't negotiate yourself out of a paper bag. Get some balls man.

[woohoo]

You lot are still in la-la land

The EU doesn't have to do a thing, just wait till investment in the UK dries up and companies start relocating to EUrope to access the larger markets. Then we'll go in with our begging bowl.

Nonsense you negative little man. Grow some.

[CretinWatcher]

Jeesh you couldn't negotiate yourself out of a paper bag. Get some balls man.

I think our only card is "We're not going to buy your German cars".
And then they'll play their ace "You don't get passport access for your biggest industry - financial services".
And the UK negotiators will look at the twin deficits, large debt, lack of industrial base and cave in.

This isn't about optimism or pessimism, it's about reality. Don't take a knife to a gun shootout.

[CretinWatcher]

Nonsense you negative little man. Grow some.

When God made you he ran out of brains, didn't he.?
So you didn't feel left out, he overcompensated in the plums department.

[SueEllen]

The Tories members have a habit of not choosing the front runner as their leader so May is very likely out.

Gove is likely out as only 4 MPs went to his press conference - he needs something like 112 MPs to be chosen as a candidate to put to the members.

So that leaves Liam Fox (Brexiter), Andrea Leadsom (Brexiter, ex-city banker and Leave.EU favourite) and Stephen Crabbe (known bigot, christian and remainer)

[meridian]

So much for the "democratic" will of the people.

The way out is to do something about non-EU immigration, and/or build more houses/infrastructure.

Then have another vote.....

We're a referential democracy, not a direct democracy.

If you don't like what parliament does, you can always vote them out in the next GE.

Fortunately (hopefully?) our chosen representatives have more brains than the Brexiteers and do what's best for the country.

[CretinWatcher]

We're a referential democracy, not a direct democracy.

If you don't like what parliament does, you can always vote them out in the next GE.

Fortunately (hopefully?) our chosen representatives have more brains than the Brexiteers and do what's best for the country.

Ironically the "plebiscite" (yes the root of the word is PLEB) is a terrible European (Roman) invention.
It has no place in an Anglo Saxon democracy.