Secret green tax blitz planned for cars, air travel and consumer goods

[Hart-floot]

Air travel is cheaper than train travel despite the vast subsidies handed out to train companies because planes can go where the passengers actually want to go, .

You really think that airlines don't get any subsidies!

Airlines dont pay any duty on the fuel they use. Railways do.
Many airlines get local or regional governments to subsidise their operations, build the infrastructure , below market rate for landing slots etc. Ryanair are experts at this.

Flying one plane, say 100 passengers + crew from London to Paris is far more damaging to the environment that one Eurostar, say 800 passengers + crew from Waterloo to Paris.

More taxes on air travel pleeze

[Forumbore]

You really think that airlines don't get any subsidies!

Airlines dont pay any duty on the fuel they use. Railways do.
Many airlines get local or regional governments to subsidise their operations, build the infrastructure , below market rate for landing slots etc. Ryanair are experts at this.

Flying one plane, say 100 passengers + crew from London to Paris is far more damaging to the environment that one Eurostar, say 800 passengers + crew from Waterloo to Paris.

More taxes on air travel pleeze

Are you a train spotter by any chance?

[Hart-floot]

Are you a train spotter by any chance?

Nope. Just someone that lives under the flightpath! I love the 5.30am dawn chorus of planes coming back from Tenerife & Lanzagrote!

[tim123]

I don't get this.

It's plastered all over the front of every newspaper.

HTF can it be a secret?

tim

[Mailman]

It all has similar parallels to the millenium bug

Did the government tax the millenium bug too?

That geezer who woz going on about trains. How much pollution is created by the sites required to produce electricity for the train that took you to Paris or the trains that wizz communters around the country?

Mailman

[Mordac]

You really think that airlines don't get any subsidies!

Airlines dont pay any duty on the fuel they use. Railways do.
Many airlines get local or regional governments to subsidise their operations, build the infrastructure , below market rate for landing slots etc. Ryanair are experts at this.

Flying one plane, say 100 passengers + crew from London to Paris is far more damaging to the environment that one Eurostar, say 800 passengers + crew from Waterloo to Paris.

More taxes on air travel pleeze

You missed my point, I said the airlines are run better than the train companies. I therefore agree with you entirely, although I'm not sure duty free fuel counts as a subsidy, as such. It's a historical agreement between governments not to tax each others airlines.

[AtW]

It's a historical agreement between governments not to tax each others airlines.

They just have airport taxes and what not...

[DaveB]

They just have airport taxes and what not...

No, those are charged by the Airport operating companies, not the local governments. They charge a fee for the airlines to land and use the support facilities which they pass on to the customers as "Taxes". Similar to the fuel "surcharges". If the fuel costs go up then they pass that on as a "Surcharge" rather than just upping ticket prices. Makes it look like it's someone else charging the traveller not the airline.

[Lucifer Box]

No, those are charged by the Airport operating companies, not the local governments. They charge a fee for the airlines to land and use the support facilities which they pass on to the customers as "Taxes". Similar to the fuel "surcharges". If the fuel costs go up then they pass that on as a "Surcharge" rather than just upping ticket prices. Makes it look like it's someone else charging the traveller not the airline.

Air Passenger Duty

This tax is levied by the UK Government, and collected by the carrier or agent issuing the ticket and charged to the customer at the time of ticket purchase.

* the duty on economy flights within the European Economic Area (EEA) is £5
* the rate for club and first class fares for destinations in the EEA is £10
* the rate for economy flights to all other destinations is £20
* the rate for club and first class fares for all other destinations is £40
* all flights from the Scottish Highlands and Islands are exempt from duty
* all other UK domestic flights are subject to a £5 charge on each leg of the flight (so the duty for a UK domestic return flight is £10)

[DaveB]

I stand corrected!