migrants - the missing millions

[sasguru]

You're the one stating it - WTF should I look it up!

The source looks like vomit to me.

Have you ever considered the possibility that your lack of success in life is more to do with the fact that you're a cretin rather than being the fault of the baby-boomers?

[PurpleGorilla]

Have you ever considered the possibility that your lack of success in life is more to do with the fact that you're a cretin rather than being the fault of the baby-boomers?

Laugh. Such an ASSguru

I'm very successful thanks. And my success is through hard work rather than sheer luck of buying cheap housing.

[DodgyAgent]

Personally, I don't think Brexit will impact migration all that much, because there isn't the political will to deal with it. This is evidenced by the non-EU net migration figures. That being said, I'm glad that Vote Leave is now internally consistent in wanting to "leave" the single market, because that's the only way to achieve a meaningful reduction in unskilled migration. Yes, there's a cost, but you need to convince me about that cost as measured per capita of the native population (i.e. in terms of productivity). Overall growth is meaningless. OTOH, so-called single-market regulations (mostly, they're nothing of the kind), must incur a large hit in terms of productivity. Open Europe have had a stab at this, but it's a stab in the dark.

The problem with open doors migration is that it allows us to not bother with training and helping our own indigenous population. Already semi skilled jobs in retail have been swamped by migrants many of who are University graduates who should be competing for jobs in finance, IT, accounting and engineering. They have kept wages low but more importantly they have kept our own workers out and reduced mobility in our own workforce.
Only a tiny proportion of migrant workers possess the skills that we really need.
The attitude on the remain side is that by increasing our working population we have more tax revenue. This is fine but where does it end? In 30 years time these people will all be retiring so shall we increase the population even more? As I said on another thread we could up GDP by assimilating the entire working population of Nigeria. This is effectively what they are supporting.
Although it will be difficult to stop free labour movement after Brexit, leaving the EU will at least give us the freedom to compose a policy that better suits our needs.
at the moment we are a repository for every out of work member of the EU and as such we are existing according to their terms instead of setting our own.

[sasguru]

I'm very successful thanks.

Yes you sound it ....

[PurpleGorilla]

Yes you sound it ....

You on the other hand, sound like a sad, vindictive, petty, loner.

[sasguru]

You on the other hand, sound like a sad, vindictive, petty, loner.

Well your lack of IQ is only matched by your lack of judgement.

[PurpleGorilla]

Well your lack of IQ is only matched by your lack of judgement.

Who are you to judge whether someone is a success?

[jamesbrown]

The problem with open doors migration is that it allows us to not bother with training and helping our own indigenous population. Already semi skilled jobs in retail have been swamped by migrants many of who are University graduates who should be competing for jobs in finance, IT, accounting and engineering. They have kept wages low but more importantly they have kept our own workers out and reduced mobility in our own workforce.
Only a tiny proportion of migrant workers possess the skills that we really need.
The attitude on the remain side is that by increasing our working population we have more tax revenue. This is fine but where does it end? In 30 years time these people will all be retiring so shall we increase the population even more? As I said on another thread we could up GDP by assimilating the entire working population of Nigeria. This is effectively what they are supporting.
Although it will be difficult to stop free labour movement after Brexit, leaving the EU will at least give us the freedom to compose a policy that better suits our needs.
at the moment we are a repository for every out of work member of the EU and as such we are existing according to their terms instead of setting our own.

I agree. I've seen the analysis (by NIESR and others) that points to the effects of immigration on wage compression as being relatively modest, but I don't think their analysis properly captures the dynamics of the labour market, along the lines you mention. As with much of the debate around the EU ref, the counterfactual doesn't exist (what would the labour market have looked like, had we not joined?) and any "model" of the counterfactual is open to politically motivated assumptions.

[unemployed]

Who are you to judge whether someone is a success?

sasguru is a success in that he managed to buy overpriced houses at the height of the boom with only a lower selling price to look forward to or higher taxes wiping him out completely .


i`m 99% sure he managed to bag another depreciating asset just before the stamp duty went up

sasguru the son of robbie fowler and dion dublin

[sasguru]

Who are you to judge whether someone is a success?

You know I do wish you the best of luck and success in the future.
But by the age of 40, people's personalities are set, so I don't suppose your endless whinging about Muslims, house prices and baby-boomers will ever cease.
It doesn't real scream success on any level whatsoever ....